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Taking Tohaa To Tournament: Three Thundred

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Hey, I was wondering if I could get some input on a Annihilation, Antenna Field and Supremacy ITS list. I'm usually an Ariadna player but I came into a fair few Tohaa lately, so I'm keen to give them a try! Thrown in at the deep end and all that. This is what I had in mind so far;
 
logo_81.png Tohaa
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Group 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png5
logo_1.png KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Swarm Grenades, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (16)
logo_2.png SAKIEL Viral Combi Rifle, Swarm Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (26)
 
logo_1.png KAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Swarm Grenades, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (16)
logo_2.png SAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
 
logo_1.png KAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
logo_14.png HATAIL AELIS KEESAN K1 Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 32)
 
logo_7.png CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (25)
 
Group 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png4 orden_irregular.png1 orden_impetuosa.png1
logo_3.png GAO-RAEL Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 36)
logo_1.png KAMAEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Swarm Grenades, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (16)
 
logo_16.png KOTAIL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
 
logo_13.png DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Troop) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (5)
 
6 SWC | 299 Points
 
 
Possibly a little crazy on the Triads? I figured it'd be good to take advantage of the mobility they provide, and there's (clearly) a huge amount of redundancy, but perhaps at the cost of not enough tricks.
 
My main concern is that those are very aggressive, killy scenarios, which may not favour this kind of play. What do you reckon?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
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Solid list for sure, although if I had to point out a weakness it lacks effective firepower over 24 inches. Also, I would switch the kotail and clipsos's combat groups, as the clipsos needs less orders getting up the board into firing positions, and you would likely shift it over to the first combat group with a command token anyway after taking some losses. 

Not sure what models you have available, but a suggestion: perhaps trade out the Gao rael spitfire for sniper? That way you get some long range solid ARO firepower, and with only limited orders in that combat group, you are less likely to move them up the board anyway. 

 

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Yeah, I've mostly played on quite dense tables of late so it's probably messed with my list designing!

That would actually work out perfectly; the gao-rael and delegate are the only things on that list that I don't currently own!

Thanks for the feedback =D

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It does indeed look pretty good, Kuma!

To piggyback on dtjunkie, your Gao-Rael Spitfire triad should probably switch places with your Kamael FO triad, as the slower Gao-Rael needs more orders to be effective.

I'd also recommend swapping that Kamael FO for a paramedic, as they're generally better ITS specialists, and switching your Lieutenant to the Sakiel Viral Combi, as he's simply more durable. You could also swap some Makauls for more Kamael FOs, if you want a grip of specialists.

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Both your Lt options are in one triad. Might be worth spreading them out.

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I agree on the LT, in this case i think it's better the sakiel! Maybe in another link team ;)

Like the list for the rest, not a big fan of the gao rael spitfire but HEY it's surely fine, it's fault of my strange tastes...i like the sniper  :D

Sorry for the bad english ;)

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Thanks for the advice guys! I tend to get drawn into the "burst is king" mantra and favour HMGs and spitfires over snipers, but I think the extra burst of the Tohaa Fireteams might just win me over (as does your experiences with them!). The "downgrade" from spitfire to sniper on the Gao Rael and his accompanying Kamael has given me enough points to turn a Makaul into a Sakiel.

 

This list has the Viral variant, but an alternative is to have the Nullifier, and kit out the three Makaul with Swarm Grenades. I have absolutely no experience with those things, have you found them useful?

 

logo_81.png Tohaa
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Group 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_1.png KAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_2.png SAKIEL Lieutenant Viral Combi Rifle, Swarm Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (26)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
 
logo_1.png KAMAEL Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)
logo_14.png HATAIL AELIS KEESAN K1 Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 32)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
 
logo_3.png GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 33)
logo_1.png KAMAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 15)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
 
logo_16.png KOTAIL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
 
Group 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png4 orden_irregular.png1 orden_impetuosa.png2
logo_13.png DIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Troop) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (5)
 
logo_1.png KAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
logo_2.png SAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
logo_2.png SAKIEL Viral Combi Rifle, Swarm Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (26)
 
logo_7.png CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (25)
 
5.5 SWC | 299 Points
 
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The Nullifiers can be brilliant, but unlike mines they require a successful WIP roll, which, for their cost, means many Tohaa players avoid them.

 

Swarm Grenades are potent, but much more difficult to use effectively due to the neutering of Entire Order skills from Fireteams.  Try the Clispos with Swarm Grenades, if you would like particularly efficient delivery. 

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Ok, I can help with these.  I ran these two lists at I-4 Invasion, they worked pretty well for me, I took 6th place.  3 Specialists each list.

 

logo_81.png Tohaa

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Group 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png8 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
logo_17.png RASAIL Spitfire + 1 Chaksa Peripheral / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
sep.giflogo_17_2.png CHAKSA PERIPHERAL Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (4)
logo_15.png NIKOUL Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
logo_9.png KUMOTAIL Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (22)
logo_12.png NEEMA Combi Rifle, Light Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 42)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
logo_14.png HATAIL AELIS KEESAN Viral Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
 
Group 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png4 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png0
logo_16.png KOTAIL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (33)
logo_1.png KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
logo_3.png GAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 33)
logo_1.png KAMAEL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
 
5.5 SWC | 298 Points
 
 
 
 
And
 
logo_81.png Tohaa
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Group 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_15.png NIKOUL Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
logo_12.png NEEMA Combi Rifle, Light Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 42)
logo_9.png KUMOTAIL Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (22)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Swarm Grenades, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (16)
logo_14.png HATAIL AELIS KEESAN K1 Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 32)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Swarm Grenades, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (16)
logo_8.png MAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (13)
logo_17.png RASAIL Viral Combi Rifle + 1 Chaksa Peripheral / Pistol, Knife. (42)
sep.giflogo_17_2.png CHAKSA PERIPHERAL Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (4)
logo_17.png RASAIL Spitfire + 1 Chaksa Peripheral / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
sep.giflogo_17_2.png CHAKSA PERIPHERAL Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (4)
logo_16.png KOTAIL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (33)
 
Group 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png1 orden_irregular.png0 orden_impetuosa.png0
logo_1.png KAMAEL Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
 
4.5 SWC | 300 Points
 
 
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