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Odalisques in vanilla

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So I aquired an odalisque. The way I've understood it, they are (or at least used to be) a mainstay in Qapu Khalqi, but what about in vanilla? Are they still useful without their link team options? If so, how do you (or would you) use them? Which profile is the best?

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I like any profile that can go in to suppression fire using her 360 Visor. NWI, Courage and no flanking make them pretty useful. SMG profile has special ammo, keeps suppression fire, and as a bonus gets the contender good for coord orders. Spitfire can be used as an assault peice as well though.

Rifle LSG is fine though. Good if you want the LSG. Don't see much reason for BSG.

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Odalisques are realatively cheap for an ARM 2 model with a 360 visor or Sixth Sense L1, i-Kohl L3, V: NWI and the weapons they get. They're tough little girls who can really bring the fight to the enemy and as said by @Loricus, can also defend well. I'd use them far more often if I had any painted. Every time I've used one in vanilla I've not regretted it and it has surprised my opponent. But I've got so much painted now I try to only use what's painted and, well, they're not.

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@Loki the choice is between 360 visor and SS2. I like the visor because I use them to cover other troops, but SS2 is pretty amazing.

Then again, SS2 helps dodging if they are using Spec fire to get you out of suppression. Hmmm...

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The only one I've tried has been the Spitfire version.  Coupled with the Sixth Sense lvl2.

It's been ok.  I suspect it has more to do with me and/or my typical opponents than any sort of comprehensive value.

I roll with the Sixth Sense over the 360 visor because (for me) annoying deaths come from:

  • Surprise Shot:  So I get to shoot back without that annoying penalty.
  • Ninjas:  I get to shoot back if they stay outside of 8", I get to nanopulser/pistol/knife them back.
  • Speculative Fire:  I get to dodge with my disappointing PHY stat instead of at -3.
  • The Dreaded Smoke shot:  I return fire.

As an added bonus, i-Kohl annoys the crap out of those 'need' to fight in close combat.

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ah, so that's what the / in Army V means? they get to choose between Sixth Sense lvl 2 and 360 degree visor?

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Afraid so.  The book/.pdf makes it look like you get 'em both.

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Anything with NWI is a good deal. 6S2 and 360 Visor are very good. You can choose impact template, high burst, or special ammo, and a nanopulser on all. Odalisques are super units, and I typically use the SMG/contender or spitfire. IMO, the rankings are:

1. SMG/contender *or* spitfire

2. rifle + light shotgun

3. boarding shotgun

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Odalisques are good, it's obvious. The profiles with Spitfire and the one with SMG/Contender are the best IMO.

I used them few times, yet mostly in QK and for low points games. And to be honest they don't get into my Vanilla Haqq ITS lists, simply because the older ITS needed so much specialists. Maybe it will change with the new scenarios, like Firefight, we'll see, yet they're still not my first choice.

 

PozdRawiam / Greetings

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7 hours ago, KedzioR_vo said:

Odalisques are good, it's obvious. The profiles with Spitfire and the one with SMG/Contender are the best IMO.

I used them few times, yet mostly in QK and for low points games. And to be honest they don't get into my Vanilla Haqq ITS lists, simply because the older ITS needed so much specialists. Maybe it will change with the new scenarios, like Firefight, we'll see, yet they're still not my first choice.

 

PozdRawiam / Greetings

Hmm, I think I tend to value units with straightforward, apparent roles, like cheap order monkey, chaff, solid assault piece, or solid ARO piece...the odalisque feels like a bit more of an all-rounder and her value thus wasn't readily apparent to me. Sure, she is a solid deployment zone guard, but daylamis and warcors does that for a fraction of the cost, she can lay down some good suppression fire, but the lasiq does that better, etc. But this thread has given me some insight, and I'm eager to try her out. Some thoughts:

- With Sixth Sense lvl 2, NWI and her i-Khol, nanopulser and good haqqislam WIP she could make for a decent cammo hunter.
- 360 degree NWI suppression fire is definitely worth 22 points.
- NWI, submachine gun and contender makes her able to deal with all those direct template threats; she can tank a hit and shoot back with either shock or DA.

but boy is 360 degree visor or Sixth Sense lvl 2 tough to choose between. I think I'd most often go for 360 degree visor, as that'd allow her to push forward on the board without risk being outflanked, and laying down some good suppression fire. It also gives some good deployment zone overwatch if I'm going second.

 

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If I had to, I'd put Odalisques in the 'solid assault piece' role. NWI is functionally a second wound against most ammo types. Also, and this relates to the Sekban too: Lasiq can lay down better suppression fire in their front arc, but getting shots against attacks from the rear like you can with Odalisques and Sekbans make them a superior unit to get stuck in somewhere. To be honest though I typically go with 6S2 to give her a chance against camo attacks and keep the Sekban for 360V stuff.

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It's a bit more narrow, but you can use the I-Khol against shooting within engage range against their shooting. I don't remember if you have to declare engage or if dodge works*, but being able to give them -9 against their shooting is a pretty good survival mechanic, even with only 10 PH. If you do successfully engage in to them, you basically shut them down for a few orders unless they have pretty great CC. A surprising and sexy way to shut down a rampage early.

 

*edit: dodge only works if you are engaged.

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I clearly need to review my rules again.  I had not noticed that simply declaring a valid engage would allow i-kohl to apply.

Typically I view it as a deterrent for even good CC guys to stand back and shoot it out with my SS2 Odalisque... glad to add a new technique even if it only has a 2" application range.

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@Papa Bey This is cutting edge state-of-the-art Human Sphere stuff! It's not huge for Odalisques but it's a good thing to be aware of in case it comes up. I'll look it up when I get home to see if I'm missing anything.

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@Off Topic:  I double checked.  Little type at the bottom of the chart includes Engage declaration for it to be applied.  Also applies to a Dodge (by which I presume if they are getting handsy, not shooting from afar.)  -9 certainly enhanced the whole Face2Face part as well.  

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It's not really off topic since it applies to Odalisques...

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Odalisque is also a pretty good coverup for a Hafza Lt: as long as one of the girls somewhere in the rear, pulling a rear area security duty and not an easy target for a sniper, no-one's eager to stir up a hornet's nest by messing up with her.

This way, they won't ever learn it is your Hafza Lt.

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I don't know if anyone noticed but in the latest version of the army builder there is no /. Instead the 360° visor is listed under equipment and 6th sense lvl 2 is listed under special skills. 

This would seem to indicate that the Odalisques get both 6th sense and the visor in one neat package and you don't need to choose anymore.

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20 minutes ago, Aramaki said:

I don't know if anyone noticed but in the latest version of the army builder there is no /. Instead the 360° visor is listed under equipment and 6th sense lvl 2 is listed under special skills. 

This would seem to indicate that the Odalisques get both 6th sense and the visor in one neat package and you don't need to choose anymore.

My army is still showing a / ??

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I'm using army builder on my Android phone. I also checked the online army builder and it shows the same thing.

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I'm not aware of there being a change, and I know it's a pain from a programming point of view because Sixth Sense should theoretically be listed under Special Skills and 360 Visor under Equipment.

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Part of me would prefer they didn't have that option, and they would simply have 6S2. That is a good skill and leaves the 360V as the domain of the Sekban.

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