Krofna

ITS tournament lists (Annihilation, Frontline, Supremacy)

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Greetings fellow Fremen!

I have an ITS tournament coming up consisting of three rounds: Annihilation, Frontline, Supremacy. I've been tinkering with vanilla Haqqislam since I've acquired both Al Fasids and Maghariba and the incentive is to play with them, although I'm first and foremost Hassassin Bahram player. I've only got one tournament under my belt, which was not so succesful on the winning front, but a valuable experience. I've been playing against USAriadna, Steel Phalanx, Vanilla Aleph and Vanilla PanO quite regularly past few months so I've been hammering my Vanilla playstyle. I've been blown away by Al Fasid HMG profile, the guy is a beast and the first one to get painted after I stripped my previous HB Assassins Creed color scheme force. Now going for much darker, dark leather, black armour, glowing eyes Dune kind of a thing (Sleeper Must Awaken!). And I can't not play Saladin.

Anyway, onto the lists. The first one is dubbed Supremacy Fasid Extravaganza:

logo_401.png Supremacy Fasid Extravaganza
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  
logo_36.pngSALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
logo_43.pngFASID Heavy Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 45)
logo_43.pngFASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
logo_34.pngKAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
logo_34.pngKAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
logo_32.pngFARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
logo_31.pngHAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
logo_52.pngLEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
logo_1.pngGHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png1  orden_irregular.png2  orden_impetuosa.png2
logo_16.pngSHIHAB REMOTE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_40.pngMUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_40.pngMUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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I'm quite happy with this one, especially cause its nice round 6 SWC 300 points. I've got Baggage Kameels for the point caps while also providing Repeater coverage, infiltrating Hacker specialist, all kinds of Hackers, even managed to stick our great Doctor plus specialist with 2 Nasmats. The Al Fasid HRL is my go to ARO piece, with his ARM 8 in cover and great BS, while also being a fun guy against clumped Fireteams and ODD spam. Got the Shihab aswell for some backfield protection and more AROs.  Al Fasid HMG is the beatstick of the list. 

 

Now the second list, which is designed for the Annihilation/Frontline is sporting big M, and I'm having some problems with it:

logo_401.png Annihilation/Frontline Maghariba
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  
logo_36.pngSALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
logo_9.pngMAGHARIBA MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 78)
 sep.giflogo_9.pngMAGHARIBA PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0)
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
logo_34.pngKAMEEL Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
logo_34.pngKAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
logo_31.pngHAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
logo_32.pngFARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
logo_14.pngNAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_1.pngGHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png1  
logo_28.pngLASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)

5 SWC | 300 Points

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I can't exactly fill up the SWC the way I want, and I'm quite worried if my Maghariba bites the dust, or an unfortunate Monofillament blade. I don't exactly have another high burst dedicated piece, and the match might be heavily disfavored if she dies. Am I putting too much Hacking support around her? Could that be more modified for a Ragik Spitfire perhaps, or Odalisque or something?

Comments and criticism is welcome! 

 

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You need more action pieces. I played similar lists in a tournament last weekend, albeit at 400 points with a 15 order limit. My Maghariba list was awesome, getting me two 10-0 wins. 

logo_401.png Maggie
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  
logo_9.pngMAGHARIBA MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 78)
 sep.giflogo_9.pngMAGHARIBA PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0)
logo_30.pngAZRA'IL AP HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 41)
logo_35.pngAL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35)
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_1.pngGHULAM HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)
logo_26.pngHAFZA Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 18)
logo_28.pngLASIQ Viral Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
logo_36.pngSALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
logo_2.pngNAFFATÛN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
logo_14.pngNAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png5  
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_1.pngGHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_28.pngLASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
logo_2.pngNAFFATÛN Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
logo_11.pngTUAREG Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)

8 SWC | 400 Points

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Here you can see the amount of "action pieces" I have: Maghariba, Azrail, Djabel, Ghulam HMG, Hafza HRL, Lasiq rifle, Lasiq sniper and Tuareg doctor. A pair of Barid KHD's are for hacking defence and actually saved me in a game by killing enemy TO-hacker. My point is that my list had 8 models I would feel confident spending 3-5 orders on to clear areas/kill stuff. Your Maghariba list has 3/4 (Maggie, Lasiq, Hawwa/Farzan which are somewhat limited). The Fasid list is better, having 2 Fasids, Leila, and the Hawwa/Farzan. Problem with Hawwa and Farzan is that they only do stuff in very small part of the table. Especially Farzan you usually don't want to use much first turn, or even second, while great for late objective grabs. 

Think about your weaknesses, their counters and how you can include them. For a Maghariba list I would take Fiday, Tuareg or Ragik every time, because they can suicide for the enemy Missile Launcher or similar, which there is usually only one of. Similarly I would take 1-2 KHDs to get rid of enemy HDs/AHDs. If the enemy has no Missile Launchers etc. and no hackers to use against my TAG then I can do stuff much more freely with the TAG

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2 minutes ago, Orthas said:

You need more action pieces. I played similar lists in a tournament last weekend, albeit at 400 points with a 15 order limit. My Maghariba list was awesome, getting me two 10-0 wins. 

Think about your weaknesses, their counters and how you can include them. For a Maghariba list I would take Fiday, Tuareg or Ragik every time, because they can suicide for the enemy Missile Launcher or similar, which there is usually only one of. Similarly I would take 1-2 KHDs to get rid of enemy HDs/AHDs. If the enemy has no Missile Launchers etc. and no hackers to use against my TAG then I can do stuff much more freely with the TAG

I understand your logic, but its quite hard to fit all I want in 300 points. I'm definitively aware of my action piece weakness. Hawwa/Farzan are up there for the midfield contesting aswell, they are after all 20ish points infiltrators. Farzan is the LoL backup aswell. I suppose I could cut the EVO hacker or the Barid HD for a Muyib HRL or somethink along those lines. Theres an option on swapping the Hawwa for Ragik Assault Hacker, who's a great point/objective grabber, but the Hawwa profile is so sexy, he alone can perform so many classified objectives. 

On the point of Missile Launchers, Advanced ECM on Maghariba + U-turn on HD is good enough, I can't cover all the angles. I wanted to incorporate Fiday, the 29pts profile, but I simply can't find the points, or I came up too short on SWC

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I wasn't talking about Missile bots but Fireteams with Missile Launchers or Panzerfausts and such. Maghariba has 11 armor in cover. That means you save a HMG on 5+ and Spitfire on 4+. They ain't shooting you down (as you kill most things if you hit with your ARO with exp ammo). Tuareg is like a Hawwa/Farzan, but for some more points you get the ability remove one or more problem models. I would go with something like this: 

 

logo_401.png Haqqislam
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png9  orden_irregular.png1  
logo_9.pngMAGHARIBA MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 78)
 sep.giflogo_9.pngMAGHARIBA PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0)
logo_12.pngFIDAY Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)
logo_11.pngTUAREG Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)
logo_14.pngNAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_1.pngGHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_1.pngGHULAM (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_23.pngDAYLAMI HMG / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17)
logo_28.pngLASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
logo_31.pngHAWWA' (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png1  orden_irregular.png2  orden_impetuosa.png2
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Lieutenant Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)
logo_40.pngMUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_40.pngMUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

5 SWC | 299 Points

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For the Fasids, what are you trying to achieve with the HRL Fasid? Its role is completely different from the HMG guy and one I haven't been able to master so well, even though I have used HMG Fasid quite a bit to great effect. What does he bring to the table compared to Azrail Feuerbach, which has same stats, is cheaper and can handle armored enemies? I can see mines, better close range combat (with SMG) and a template, however good players won't let your AROs hit more than one guy and Fasid isn't exactly the epitome of mobility which I have found is much needed for getting nice template hits. Here is a similar list to the above Maggie list except with Fasid+Azrail. If I was running it I would drop Saladin+CoC for a cheap lieutenant (maybe Barid), Hunzakut (or Hawwa/Farzan Minelayer) and one more cheapish shooter (Ghulam HMG/Hafza HRL/either Lasiq). 

You are paying 62 points for Saladin+Farzan CoC. The Strategos 1 portion is worth exactly 8 points, Farzan as infiltrating camo specialist is 21. Cheapest lieutenant is 12. That leaves 21 points for the reserves portion of Strategos and 2 wip for the pre-game roll. I would definitely skip it if you don't have a very good reason to need that crutch (eg. 2 impersonators, or impersonator+TAG). 

logo_401.png Haqqislam
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  
logo_43.pngFASID HMG + (Smoke and Normal) Light Grenade Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 53)
logo_30.pngAZRA'IL Feuerbach / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 39)
logo_35.pngAL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35)
logo_11.pngTUAREG Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
logo_32.pngFARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
logo_36.pngSALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
logo_14.pngNAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_52.pngLEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
logo_42.pngHALQA (Forward Observer) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_42.pngHALQA Doctor Plus (Medikit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_irregular.png1  orden_impetuosa.png1
logo_40.pngMUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

3.5 SWC | 300 Points

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20 minutes ago, Orthas said:

For the Fasids, what are you trying to achieve with the HRL Fasid? Its role is completely different from the HMG guy and one I haven't been able to master so well, even though I have used HMG Fasid quite a bit to great effect. What does he bring to the table compared to Azrail Feuerbach, which has same stats, is cheaper and can handle armored enemies? I can see mines, better close range combat (with SMG) and a template, however good players won't let your AROs hit more than one guy and Fasid isn't exactly the epitome of mobility which I have found is much needed for getting nice template hits. Here is a similar list to the above Maggie list except with Fasid+Azrail. If I was running it I would drop Saladin+CoC for a cheap lieutenant (maybe Barid), Hunzakut (or Hawwa/Farzan Minelayer) and one more cheapish shooter (Ghulam HMG/Hafza HRL/either Lasiq). 

You are paying 62 points for Saladin+Farzan CoC. The Strategos 1 portion is worth exactly 8 points, Farzan as infiltrating camo specialist is 21. Cheapest lieutenant is 12. That leaves 21 points for the reserves portion of Strategos and 2 wip for the pre-game roll. I would definitely skip it if you don't have a very good reason to need that crutch (eg. 2 impersonators, or impersonator+TAG). 

On the topic of Azrail, I lack the model, and I quite like aesthetics of the Al Fasid HRL so I'm bit biased. He's a minelayer so he protects the backfield aswell against those pesky AD troops and such. I understand that the ARO aspect of HRL can be mitigated, but its more potent active turn weapon that the likes of Feuerbach. 

However, you're pointing out some good stuff surrounding the Saladin crutch. He ain't exactly needed in the double Fasid list, but I find that his extra order, repeater are more than worthy the points. He's got NWI and with mines and Shihab covering the DZ, I think he's quite survivable. Even if he drops, the Farzan CoC would usually be deployed in Camo state on some building/out of sight so I don't suffer the LoL. If I don't take the combo, considering my other models there would be a need of LT hiding I think, like Ghulam LT plus Hafza/Ghulams. I won't lie, the Saladin is pretty much the biggest reason I've dabbed in Vanilla, otherwise I'd stay in my nice cozy Muyib link corner :D

I've got a Double Fiday list in mind aswell, but that would be much more Alpha strike first turn playstyle than I normally like. I'm more of a defensive + late strike player.

 

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58 minutes ago, Krofna said:

I've got a Double Fiday list in mind aswell, but that would be much more Alpha strike first turn playstyle than I normally like. I'm more of a defensive + late strike player.

 

Play the Fidays as skirmishers. Drop smoke all over the place to shield Maggie as she moves in for a kill or shield your specialists and area control pieces moving up to midfield.

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20 hours ago, Krofna said:

Now the second list, which is designed for the Annihilation/Frontline is sporting big M, and I'm having some problems with it:

logo_401.png Annihilation/Frontline Maghariba
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  
logo_36.pngSALADIN Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 36)
logo_9.pngMAGHARIBA MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 78)
 sep.giflogo_9.pngMAGHARIBA PILOT Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0)
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Killer Hacking Device UPGRADE: Lightning) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_37.pngBARID Hacker (Hacking Device) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
logo_34.pngKAMEEL Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
logo_34.pngKAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
logo_31.pngHAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
logo_32.pngFARZAN (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
logo_14.pngNAJJARUN Engineer Rifle + Light Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_1.pngGHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_33.pngNASMAT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png1  
logo_28.pngLASIQ Viral Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)

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I can't exactly fill up the SWC the way I want, and I'm quite worried if my Maghariba bites the dust, or an unfortunate Monofillament blade. I don't exactly have another high burst dedicated piece, and the match might be heavily disfavored if she dies. Am I putting too much Hacking support around her? Could that be more modified for a Ragik Spitfire perhaps, or Odalisque or something?

I would have two suggestions for a second attack piece there. You could change the Lasiq and the EVO (which doesnt do to much in that list anyway) to a Fasid with HMG if you also make the Hawwa a FO. Or you take the HRL instead and upgrade the Minesweeper to a Ghulam FO. There were some more possibilities, but since you are so fond of the Fasids I left them out.

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