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Is that a Daofei?

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So they mentioned at Interplanetario that the Daofei will be in White Banner. By logo, this makes sense, but they're also mentioned as being part of the Invincible Army by lore. Do people think it'll end up in both?

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I kind of hope they'll end up in IA simply because IA needs them for their Skirmisher element. At the moment we know nothing about skirmishers and they had to basically re-invent ISS because they were too much of a DZ army.

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- Unfortunately there's confirmation from Interplanetario that the Dao Fei won't be in the Invencible Army.:side:

- Invencible Army to be released somewhere in 2018

- The sectorial army is almost fully tested since N3. Designers and testers insist the army performance is good.

- They're currently working in the concept designs of five new units for the sectorial.

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42 minutes ago, Janzerker said:

- Unfortunately there's confirmation from Interplanetario that the Dao Fei won't be in the Invencible Army.:side:

Big disappointment.

44 minutes ago, Janzerker said:

- They're currently working in the concept designs of five new units for the sectorial.

The complete opposite of disappointment. I suppose they haven't spilled any beans on them?

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3 hours ago, Janzerker said:

- Unfortunately there's confirmation from Interplanetario that the Dao Fei won't be in the Invencible Army.:side:

Yeah not shocked by this at all. Dao Fei seem more "illegal" than other HI due to their training. Invincible army seem as well like a Yu Jing PR stunt, I doubt they want a unit that is trained by forcing potential recruits to steal from people to be in propaganda piece as other nations could use that against them.

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On 2017-07-30 at 0:41 PM, Janzerker said:

- Unfortunately there's confirmation from Interplanetario that the Dao Fei won't be in the Invencible Army.:side:

- Invencible Army to be released somewhere in 2018

- The sectorial army is almost fully tested since N3. Designers and testers insist the army performance is good.

- They're currently working in the concept designs of five new units for the sectorial.

As to the first point...  what the actual fuck CB?  This thing has been touted as the Invincible Army's force recon unit since first edition and in each edition since.  There are units that have existed in more than one sectorial at once.  But in N3, because it has a White Banner-style logo (despite having the same background it always has) it is not in the list?  I have to admit, this is pretty damn disappointing and sort of blunts my enthusiasm for the IA, an army I've been excited about seeing on the table since sectorials were introduced.

Second point?  Doesn't surprise me, CB aren't known for their blazing fast release cycle.  So I'll survive.

Third point?  Hopefully that translates out to good actual performance in play, but there is always at least a little disconnect between testing performance and performance once a list hits the wild.  We'll see when it comes out either way.  But HI lists without some kind of cheap order around tend to fair poorly in order-spam environments.  Will probably be fine in 200 point limited insertion formats though.

Fourth point?  That will be interesting to see.  Hopefully they can have something to fill in for the now apparently missing Daofei.  ISS already does brick-to-the-face brute force HI armies.  I'd hope for the IA to be a bit more varied and specialized in their application of heavy units.  Here's hoping we get some heavies with forward deployment/infiltration, holo, camo or AD.  At least something beyond just being a sack of wounds and a high ARM.

But damn, no Daofei is a really weak turn of events all things considered.

 

Either way, thanks for the update.  Really appreciated, and any news is good news at this juncture.

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Dont really mind that Dao Fei isnt gonna be in IA, they gotta leave something for White Banner after all. 

5 new units sounds exciting though, hopefully there is at least 1 forward deployment/infiltration unit and some kind of specialist unit. Who knows, maybe we'll get another MI of some kind!

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15 hours ago, Jaq said:

Dont really mind that Dao Fei isnt gonna be in IA, they gotta leave something for White Banner after all.

Eh, overlapping units in different sectorials is fine, or at least it has been since they were introduced.

Plenty of lists have overlapping troops.  Montessa knights are found in MO and Acontecimento.  Black Friars are in MO and Neo Terra.  Onyx includes Morat and Shasvastii units found in their individual sectorials.  The Ninja is in ISS and JSA.  Some of these are arbitrary later inclusions to fill out roles, many are supported by the background to one extent or the other.  So it seems odd that the Daofei, a unit that has always been part of the Invincible Army, performing the role of force recon, is getting cut because it has a White Banner logo and is going to be in that sectorial.

Sectorial overlap is fine, especially when it is supported by the background.  What bugs me, however, is that short of a fluff change, there isn't actually much linking the Daofei to White Banner in terms of background.  They aren't trained on Svalarheima (they're trained in a remote region on one of the capital worlds), they have no special winter combat training, and they are specifically called out as being linked to the Invincible Army in their background.  In the case of the Daofei, it feels like it is getting put in the White Banner sectorial due to its role, rather than due to background.  If it showed up in both, no big deal, but only showing up in the one with the tenuous connection instead of the one with the strong connection seems like an odd choice on CB's part.

And worst of all, now we likely wont see the Daofei in a sectorial until around 2020 or whenever AF is getting delayed to now that we're waiting on Campaign Paradiso N3 some time next year.

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A matter of opinion really, I would prefer to see fewer sectorial overlaps and have more new units. Always felt that it was lazy of them to just dump Ninja on ISS, like they were just too lazy to design a new skirmisher. 

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I'm looking forward to the White Banner more anyway, and I'm glad the Daofei will be there in any case, though I also didn't see the issue with double duty.

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16 hours ago, Jaq said:

A matter of opinion really, I would prefer to see fewer sectorial overlaps and have more new units. Always felt that it was lazy of them to just dump Ninja on ISS, like they were just too lazy to design a new skirmisher. 

Even though i love my bloody ninja, i'd rather have it remove now that we have the kanren in ISS. The later always ends up being a second choice, it drives me nuts.

As for the daofei and IA, i too am disapointed, but that's makes me just even more eager to see what will be in this sectorial. Just hope we'll be able to field a whole 10-order list with 20 wounds and make it work!

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Zuyong are about as cheap as it gets without getting Fury discounts, and you're going to need Zuyong-grade HI with Impetuous or Extremely Impetuous to get 20 wounds into a 300 point Limited Insertion and still have enough firepower to make it past an 80-point Keisotsu link.

Well, technically 10 Zuyong can do this with a HMG and a Missile Launcher and a few miscellaneous specialists, but that's still not enough variation to accomplish all the tasks you need.

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I strongly believe not putting the Daofei in Invincible Army is a really bad idea. The Hac tao is already marked for White Banner, or at least was at some point, and certainly has less association with the Invincible army than the Daofei does. It would be strange for White Banner to get two marker state heavy infantry, especially if Invincible army is at risk of getting none.

Put Hac Tao in white banner and put Daofei in Invincible Army. Share the Dao fei if you have to.

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22 hours ago, Jaq said:

A matter of opinion really, I would prefer to see fewer sectorial overlaps and have more new units. Always felt that it was lazy of them to just dump Ninja on ISS, like they were just too lazy to design a new skirmisher. 

Or too lazy to look up what the Chinese equivalent of 'sneaky bastard' is...

But honestly, you can go read Dee Gong An and see that a ninja-like character is part of Chinese culture just as much as it is in Japanese culture.  (I also swapped my ISS Ninja's katana for the old Pheasant's broadsword)

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14 minutes ago, Section 9 said:

Or too lazy to look up what the Chinese equivalent of 'sneaky bastard' is...

But honestly, you can go read Dee Gong An and see that a ninja-like character is part of Chinese culture just as much as it is in Japanese culture.  (I also swapped my ISS Ninja's katana for the old Pheasant's broadsword)

We Chinese have a long history of employing assassins, spies and stealth troops of all sorts. The Art of War had a strong emphasis on deception after all. Half of the battles in the Romance of Three Kingdoms involves some sort of ambushes or tricks. 

Which makes it odd that we would need to get the Japanese to do the job, though they do have the advantage of being easily deniable. (And well, expendable) 

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I don't really feel the pain others do about ninjas in IS. The point of their lore is they are assassins for Yu Jing. If they didn't serve this purpose they would not be tolerated by the Imperial Service. I like this bit of original Infinity background that isn't just a Sci-Fi rehash of history. Remember when Draconis combine mechs had names like Awesome, Dragon, Panther and Quckdraw, now everything is an Akuma, Bishamon, Katana or watash-wa-nihonjin-desu-yoroshiku-onegaishimasu or something. It's faction Flanderization. I don't want it to happen here.

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