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Vanilla lists?

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Im curious how competitive vanilla is and what kind of lists people use to the best effect. Also, what are some MVP models? Is it more competitive to rock a sectorial? Help a fledgling overlord lord over the inferior species!

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Vanilla is absolutely "competitive" probably more so than the Sectorials due to access of a much wider variety of models. The reasons people generally take Sectorials are access to fireteams and increased availability of certain model profiles. For example I play Shasvastii for the main reason of double Speculo, increased Noctifers and double Q Drone but I am switching back over to Vanilla because having not great answers to camo is becoming increasingly frustrating. Plus the EI Aspect models are my favorite in the game.

Generic Combined Army let's you combine different profiles for powerful effect not found in the Sectorials. Charontid plus Daturazi, Speculo plus Ko Dali etc... We have access to arguably the best EVO Hacker in the game in the E-Drone. That bot has Exile which is an excellent tool for dealing with enemy fireteams. You also get Imetrons which are semi-reliable but very cheap orders. Generic Combined usually lends to a Rambo playstyle but we have some of the nastiest big units in the game between the Charontid, Anathematic and the big daddy himself the Avatar.

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What kind of set ups do you run? I love the Anath, but i woulf imagine that it would be hard to fit that sweet msv3 in afterwords. Im so torn!

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I do well with Vanilla CA at club level, though recently got my evolved ass handed to me at a tournament by 2 nomad players who just took my lists apart - but with constant evolution and improvement i feel they can at last be top-third competitive in that scene.

I don't think it's possible to run a Anathmatics and a Charontid at the same time and have a well rounded list, sadly.   Sure, you can take those 2 and 8 fillers but it would get munched.

I've been having loads of fun in direct action missions with a combination of Avatar, Q-Drone and Pretas + daturazi recently.  nowhere near a top tier list but all of the fun to run:
 

logo_601.png Snick Snick Boom Time
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png9  orden_impetuosa.png1
logo_9.pngAVATAR Lieutenant (Strategos L3) MULTI HMG, Sepsitor Plus / DA CCW. (3.5 | 137)
 sep.giflogo_9.pngSTALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
logo_51.pngNEXUS Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
logo_41.pngIKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
logo_41.pngIKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
logo_20.pngR-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
logo_26.pngKURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
logo_35.pngSLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_18.pngQ-DRONE Plasma Rifle / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_17.pngM-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
logo_13.pngDĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png1  orden_irregular.png4  orden_impetuosa.png5
logo_13.pngDĀTURAZI Combi Rifle + Smoke Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 21)
logo_14.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
logo_14.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
logo_14.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
logo_14.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

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That is an interesting list. I would be curious what a more cut throat list would look like. Ko dali and speculo seem rock star, anath looks stellar as a mean specialist, and the char with msv3 look monstrous. Another line could be anath and skar for strategos2, but im not sure if 120 ish points for two models is worth it. Outside of char, what are the more common anti marker options people use?

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I look at it as Vanilla Combined providing access to the EI heavy hitters supported by the best of the sectorial troops.  Layered ARO pieces, brutal combinations and some of the best active turn units.  I've been playing around with @Plebian Interplanetario lists here: http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/44902-interplanetary-2016/

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I really enjoy vanilla Combined Army, and I play it a pretty high percentage of the time.  My next most common army is MAF.  I've tried Onyx a few times, but rarely feel like I do well with it.  Out of curiosity, I decided to make a list that features a number of Onyx units, but I feel delivers them better than Onyx can.  This is what I played in my last game:

logo_601.png Combined Army
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orden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png3
logo_50.pngUMBRA SAMARITAN Lieutenant Spitfire, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (1 | 44)
logo_50.pngUMBRA SAMARITAN (EI Assault Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Goodnight) Plasma Carbine, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Vorpal CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43)
logo_13.pngDĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
logo_13.pngDĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
logo_13.pngDĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
logo_53.pngOVERDRON 2 Plasma Snipers / . (2 | 69)
 sep.giflogo_53.pngSTALDRON Flash Pulse / Knife. (0 | 0)
logo_18.pngQ-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
logo_16.pngMED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
logo_35.pngSLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_10.pngSHROUDED (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
logo_10.pngSHROUDED (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)

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And here's a Charontid/Anathematic list I've played that I thing is at least decently balanced.  As always with this kind of list, however, you have to balance caution and aggression.

logo_601.png Combined Army
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orden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png3
logo_7.pngCHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79)
logo_32.pngANATHEMATIC Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 88)
logo_36.pngÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
logo_36.pngÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
logo_13.pngDĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
logo_13.pngDĀTURAZI Chain Rifle, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 14)
logo_25.pngNOCTIFER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30)
logo_16.pngMED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
logo_35.pngSLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_18.pngQ-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
logo_49.pngKRAKOT RENEGADE Submachine Gun, Chest Mine / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 15)

5 SWC | 300 Points

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I LOVE Vanilla CA! I've tried Onyx a few times because I got the starter as a Christmas gift, but Vanilla is so much fun!

Generally speaking I think on a pure power level Onyx can be better with that cheap buffable Unidron link, but that doesn't look like a lot of fun to me.

My lists almost always feature an AI aspect. The Skiavoro is cheapish, hits hard but is a little slow and doesn't have a great rangeband. The Anathematic is a BEAST, but too expensive for my taste. It lacks range like the Skiavoro, is also a HI, which in combination frankly isn't ideal. TO is great, but you can't deploy hidden as a Lt, and MSV2s aren't exactly rare.

Which brings me to my favourite CA unit - the pure terror that is the Charontid. (MSV3 HMG) This thing can take over games, and if played mindfully it will not disappoint you! It has the range, doesn't care about camo/TO camo/ODD/Mim, and can discover markers with no roll. It can withstand a ton of punishment and I could ramble on and on but yeah, play the damn thing and you'll see what I mean!

PS: Don't forget to bring smoke.

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