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It's time to play Yu Jing

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Hi Yu Jing players, finally I've my own army, I bought Red Veil and, thanks to CB special offers, my 50% pack with many shiny toys is coming.

So, what's the point, my first intention is to play vanilla, just to learn as much as possible, this army has many amazing units, I wanna absolutely play the Hac Tao, love the models and very soon I'll buy them, and the Hsien, many months ago I played just 3 matches with ISS and I fell in love with this wonderful HI, I just bought the one with MR, one of the best CB miniatures.

I'm quite consufed by many interesting units in this army, so, if you can give me any tips , I'd be grateful :thumb-up:.

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Yu Jing has a great variety of strong HI, and our units are, in general, rather toolboxy. I strongly recommend picking up a box of Kuang Shi and a Celestial Guard, and a box of Monks. I also love the Terracotta Lt. with HMG and automedkit, but that's more personal preference. A lot of experienced players also strongly recommend Guilang, though I have no experience with them personally. I also recommend Keisotsu for cheap order filler after you pick up your four Kuang Shi. In my most recent Yu Jing lists, I tend to run multiple HI and fill in with cheap orders. 

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First off, welcome to our faction, and congratulations on getting that bundle.

Now, while the bundle in question is more suitable for an IS list, you still have a decent basis for a vanilla list give or take a proxy or 2. Regardless, one of the first additional purchases that is recommended are the Kuang Shi, which gives cheap regular orders that any list needs, and allows otherwise expensive units to be afforded. One of the Celestial Guard from the bundle can be designated as their handler. Coincidentally, her smokes benefit the Hsien greatly.

Another good choice mentioned above is the GuiLang, a unit that provides camo and infiltration to get to objectives quicker. Or lay mines. The original model is still good, the rifle version being the most useful. 

The Hac Tao is great, though expensive, and generally need to be built around. The HMG can be the potential Lt using Executive Order, while the Hacker can be brutal as well.

The Dao Fei is another vanilla (for now) unit that  is a signature HI for us. Infiltration and Camo is a most potent combo on a HI, but they don't come cheap, so can be put on the reserve list for now if you are using the other expensive HI.

One should not forget the Tiger Soldiers. Our only drop troop and still one of the best in the game. The blister shotgun or spitfire both have merits, while the rifle/hacker is in the vanilla stater box. 

Lastly for now, you should get a Gui Feng SpecOps model, if not as an actual SpecOps, then as a legal proxy for most S2 units. Like the second GuiLang or as a Tiger for instance.

Hope this short list helps.

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Thanks for the welcome and for your tips.

The main problem I've with this faction is, precisely, the great variety of cool options and it's hard to find a balance. 

What about the Shikami?

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Shikami's cool. Performs about as expected. Superjump can be useful for surprising people prone on top of a building. I've been using the Assault Pistol + Nimbus Grenade option a lot recently to help counter-act the bonuses from link teams (the +1 Burst and the +3 BS). It really helps slice the pie, and the one time I've managed to throw it defensively it kept my Raiden from dying to four consecutive orders of it being shot at by an intruder sniper and HRL wildcat. It did end up dying to the fifth order but by that point it as a lot of waste and it took a wildcat with it.

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If you get one Japanese unit make it a Raiden Heavy Rocket Laucher. It is inexpensive at 21 points and comes with minelayer, X visor, antipersonnel mines, along with limited camo and courage. The only expensive part about it is the 1.5 SWC cost. However, he can be a great asset to your Vanilla lists and open up more room for higher cost toys.

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Yeah, Yu Jing has a ton of variety, which can be dizzying.

I highly recommend picking up the Yaokong remotes. Super versatile and most importantly cheap points wise for what they bring. Yu Jing tends to pay a bit for anything that isn't a warband or line troop, and remotes really let you stretch your budget points wise. This is especially important since Red Veil and Wotan pack all have pricey stuff.

A warband style  unit, such as the Kuang Shi and Shaolin, is also recommended. These versatile units let us get more bang for our buck. The former grants orders while latter gets us smoke. And both provide models that easily trade up, helping to protect your other pieces. Think of them as ablative armor for the rest of your list. It really helps when your opponent makes a ton of infiltration rolls.

The Guilang is recommended because he's a rock solid skirmisher that steals objectives well, contests the midline, and isn't too bad on the attack.

Other recommends are a support box for doctors/engineers and Yaoxie remote box for seriously cheap MSV.

As for actually building a list, you can play with your cool toys, just not all at once. I've found I can fit 2-3 of our elites without seriously affecting my ability to do the mission. 

My goto template for 300 for non limited insertion:

2x 40+ point models-The elites, all asskickers but some specialists, usually hackers. Generous LT options.

2-4x 26-40 point range - Alternative deployment and/or fighting specialists or secondary attack pieces.

2-4x 13-25 points - mostly utility pieces, but a few attackers. Our doctors and engineers fall in here (seriously consider a yaozao if you are doing any patcking up) as do our baseline hackers. Usually not the first into the fray, but can get the job done. Both Dire Foes fit in jere and break great utility. The Yaoxie, Husong, and Aragoto sneak into this bracket and are devastating for the points.

1-4x 6-12 points - cheerleaders, make sure you have enough orders. Possible LT choice with Zhanshi. Can make do as backup specialists. Usually the last thing I add to my list.

1-4x warbands - as mentioned above, I like to mix at least a Shaolin in for the smoke.

Questions to ask when building:

*At least 10 orders?

*Enough and right kind of specialists?

*How is long range dealt with? -Either being big guns or ways to bypass range eg infiltration/AD/smoke are valid answers.

*How to deal with enemy shooting mods? - MSV, sensor, or templates work.

Sorry this is long winded, but I hope it helps.

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Thanks for so many tips, personally my first idea was to play Hsien +smoke combo, I used it when played CA and to use units like Oniwaban ( I love CC) and Hac Tao. I'm intrugued by lists with many CAMO but many units are really expensive.

Anyway, here's some ideas :

logo_201.png Hsien 1
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_9.pngHSIEN HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 61)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
logo_22.pngCELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
logo_23.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_23.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_23.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_23.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU EISEI Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_12.pngNINJA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Tactical Bow / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 29)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png5  orden_irregular.png2  orden_impetuosa.png2
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU KOHEI Engineer Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_17.pngHÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_3.pngTIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
logo_13.pngSHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
logo_13.pngSHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)

5 SWC | 300 Points

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logo_201.png Hac Tao 2
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  
logo_8.pngHAC TAO (Executive Order) HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 69)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
logo_17.pngHÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU EISEI Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU KOHEI Engineer Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_36.pngRUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
logo_19.pngCHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png5  orden_impetuosa.png3
logo_40.pngSHINOBU Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (0.5 | 47)
logo_22.pngCELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
logo_23.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_23.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_23.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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Opinions?

On 19/6/2017 at 8:11 PM, Golem2God said:

If you get one Japanese unit make it a Raiden Heavy Rocket Laucher. It is inexpensive at 21 points and comes with minelayer, X visor, antipersonnel mines, along with limited camo and courage. The only expensive part about it is the 1.5 SWC cost. However, he can be a great asset to your Vanilla lists and open up more room for higher cost toys.

This is a good idea, 1.5 swc is expensive but it's a 21 points model.

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Both look solid. I wouldn't mind running either list.

For the Hac Tao list, it's worth spending the extra points to trade up from the Zhanshi hacker to the CG hacker.

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Alternatively, downgrade the Zhanshi to Keisotsu to free up a few more points, especially if the hacker is there purely for fairy dust. 

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On 21/6/2017 at 11:38 PM, banthafodder said:

Both look solid. I wouldn't mind running either list.

For the Hac Tao list, it's worth spending the extra points to trade up from the Zhanshi hacker to the CG hacker.

A good idea, WIP 14 is great for a hacker.

 

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On 6/19/2017 at 0:11 PM, Golem2God said:

If you get one Japanese unit make it a Raiden Heavy Rocket Laucher. It is inexpensive at 21 points and comes with minelayer, X visor, antipersonnel mines, along with limited camo and courage. The only expensive part about it is the 1.5 SWC cost. However, he can be a great asset to your Vanilla lists and open up more room for higher cost toys.

 

On 6/21/2017 at 6:28 AM, Manfred_VR said:

This is a good idea, 1.5 swc is expensive but it's a 21 points model.

Worth EVERY point.

 

I liked running the Daofei hacker with a pair of Guilang (usually one FO/DepRep and one sniper), but you need to watch out for Killer Hackers.

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3 hours ago, Section 9 said:

I liked running the Daofei hacker with a pair of Guilang (usually one FO/DepRep and one sniper), but you need to watch out for Killer Hackers.

This idea intrigues me XD.

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You have 3-4 camo markers, all within 8" of each other.  One could be a mine, two could be relatively squishy skirmishers, but one is a freaking ARM4 HI!

 

Tough nut to crack, as long as they're all still camo markers.

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35 minutes ago, Section 9 said:

You have 3-4 camo markers, all within 8" of each other.  One could be a mine, two could be relatively squishy skirmishers, but one is a freaking ARM4 HI!

 

Tough nut to crack, as long as they're all still camo markers.

Sometimes it's an ARM5 HI with a Missile Launcher, if you're feeling especially cheeky. Yuriko Oda pairs very well with Raiden for fun shell games.

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Remember that the Hac Tao doesn't infiltrate.

The Daofei+2xGuilang can, so you can put the sniper all the way forward and shoot people in the back.

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Or walk a BS 13 Mimetism sniper onto the board essentially in your opponent's DZ. Not that I've tried it, but the concept is hilarious.

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1 hour ago, Mahtamori said:

Or walk a BS 13 Mimetism sniper onto the board essentially in your opponent's DZ. Not that I've tried it, but the concept is hilarious.

tried it a couple of times. In the end the spitfire is just better IMHO, or even combi+lft...shooting people in the back is nice that one time but in the end no defence close up really punishes you.

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Also the Tiger soldier intrigues me, the spitfire one in particular, I put one in a list :thumb-up:.

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On 28/6/2017 at 2:47 AM, Section 9 said:

Remember that the Hac Tao doesn't infiltrate.

The Daofei+2xGuilang can, so you can put the sniper all the way forward and shoot people in the back.

Do you have list suggestion to match the recipe?
I image you will add a Raiden, thats 140 points for 4 models. Next?

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@Manfred_VR What amount of points are you looking at starting?

logo_201.png Yu Jing
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orden_regular.png8  
logo_3.pngTIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
logo_7.pngDÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
logo_44.pngRAIDEN (Minelayer, X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 21)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

3.5 SWC | 200 Points

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logo_201.png Yu Jing
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png8  
logo_3.pngTIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
logo_7.pngDÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
logo_44.pngRAIDEN (Minelayer, X Visor) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 21)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_1.pngZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png5  orden_irregular.png3  orden_impetuosa.png2
logo_19.pngCHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
logo_36.pngRUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
logo_37.pngLÙ DUĀN Mk12, Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (0 | 21)
logo_14.pngZhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
logo_15.pngMECH-ENGINEER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_13.pngSHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
logo_13.pngSHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 5)
logo_48.pngWARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

4.5 SWC | 297 Points

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On 7/4/2017 at 8:13 AM, Chado said:

Do you have list suggestion to match the recipe?
I image you will add a Raiden, thats 140 points for 4 models. Next?

For a long time, my go-to vanilla YJ list was something like this:

logo_201.png Yu Jing
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orden_regular.png10  
logo_4.pngZÚYǑNG Lieutenant (AutomediKit) HMG / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (1 | 39)
logo_7.pngDÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
logo_16.pngWÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU KOHEI Engineer Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU EISEI Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_39.pngPANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
logo_3.pngTIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
logo_12.pngNINJA Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 35)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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Sometimes I'd swap things around to stick a Yan Huo HRMC in there (ouch).

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On 11/7/2017 at 0:20 AM, Section 9 said:

For a long time, my go-to vanilla YJ list was something like this:

logo_201.png Yu Jing
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

orden_regular.png10  
logo_4.pngZÚYǑNG Lieutenant (AutomediKit) HMG / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (1 | 39)
logo_7.pngDÀOFĚI Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 59)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
logo_11.pngGŬILÁNG MULTI Sniper Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
logo_16.pngWÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU KOHEI Engineer Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_35.pngTOKUSETSU EISEI Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
logo_38.pngYÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_39.pngPANGGULING Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
logo_3.pngTIGER SOLDIER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 32)
logo_12.pngNINJA Combi Rifle / Pistol, DA CCW, Knife. (0 | 35)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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Sometimes I'd swap things around to stick a Yan Huo HRMC in there (ouch).

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

I have seen this a lot on Yu jing list, but is it ok to just start with 8 Orders? Daofei, Zuyong, Ninja seem very order hungry.
Also an other thing: Daofei vs Hac Tao, is there a "best" ?

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7 hours ago, Chado said:

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

I have seen this a lot on Yu jing list, but is it ok to just start with 8 Orders? Daofei, Zuyong, Ninja seem very order hungry.
Also an other thing: Daofei vs Hac Tao, is there a "best" ?

If I'm using it as a long ranged kill piece, I'll take the Hac Tao for 11 more points. The TO, better BS, and better ARM is worth the upgrade to me if I'm mowing people down with an HMG. If I need a mid-field specialist, I'd probably take the Daofei for the infiltration. Mid-field kill piece is a toss up, as a spitfire already infiltrated is pretty good but the Hac Tao with a Multi can be scary too. I just think they're pretty different units with pretty different specializations  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Hidden deployment is an option, not a requirement. A TO model can deploy as a marker which will contribute orders to the pool.

As far as Had Tao v Daofei:

Stats - The Hac Tao does have superior core stats to the Daofei.

Price - The Hac Tao is significantly more costly and leaves less room for other stuff.

Close in Flexibility- The DA ccw, the higher CC value, and nanopulser wins it for the Hac Tao. It makes it great at forcing bad choices at close range and busting open boxes.

Deployment - The Daofei has way more flexible deployment and can put the hurt on their opponents right away. It's easier to get mileage out of the non HMG loadouts because you generally start in good range. A weaker piece in the right place at the right time can do more damage than stronger piece in a slightly less advantageous position. That said the Hac Tao can hidden deploy, keeping your opponent unaware.

LT option - Daofei has them, with the Spitfire getting a SWC discount. The Hac Tao can't start as an LT but can become one.

Hacking - both Assault devices which the Daofei tends to be in a better range to exploit. The Hac Tao does boast better hacking stats. The KHD on the Hac tao is a nice no SWC option that counters hackers hard.

TLDR : If you want it cheaper and up in your opponent's face earlier go Daofei. If you want some of the most oppressive stats and skills outside of Combine or ALEPH go Hac Tao.

Or just be a bastard and bring both.

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