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45 minutes ago, Solar said:

And I take them for the supportware really, which if I'm running when I get the hack ARO, I'll lose if I actually take the opportunity.

You only lose the supportware if you go Disabled/Isolated/Null state or if you declare a new supportware that will replaces it. You can still use Claw/Sword/BS Attacks while having supportware. The risk, though, is that if you die the REM loses your support.

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1. I really really hope the sectorial is all fireteam duo. (Everything minus Szalamandra)

2. (pipe dream) laughing man knock off for the special character. Interventer with all hacking protocols. 

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On 7/17/2017 at 5:49 AM, Solar said:

Sixth Sense is great with a hacker in theory but that doesn't mean that Securitate Hackers are useful.

Yes you can react to stealthed hackable targets in ARO. That is useful. But can they hack effectively?

It has been useful in practice for me to stop HI links that have stealth.

The point is that it forces them to choose to take free hacking hits, or reset and lose stealth from your other hackers.

If they tank it, you don't want a Domaru IMM-1 in a repeater, you aren't getting that back without removing the repeater first.

 

I still think the hacker is only useable (and possibly autoinclude in some metas) rather than great. But I think the HMG is a fine profile. Repeater, low SWC 4-4 HMG, and even if you feel SS2 cost too much it is still powerful. Maybe if we had other LI HMG but it's just the much weaker Alguacillies and the TR Zond to compete.

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It came up in another thread, that the presence of the Full Auto skill in Kriza Boracs will probably mean, that they are not linkable, besides Duo (Because B6 HMG with -3 FtF is just... insane). So there will either be no linkable HI or there must be another HI-option... what do you think?

And do you think there will alternatively be more non-HI links?
Grenzers, Sucuritate (probably) and maybe what else? Remotes link with necessary Hacker?

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for a long time bakunin had been without any HI at all. now we have a core link, a haris, and duo. Tunguska will be fine with only Duo. Of course, i'd prefer to have even more HI but I feel Vanilla Nomad already have plenty of HI.

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I'd like to see Tunguska be the faction without cheerleaders.  It would feel very different to have a faction where everyone had a job to do and not simply sit around generating orders. 

I'll expect a grenzer link,  maybe the hollow men,  but that HI is too expensive to be a reasonable core link anyway. 

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47 minutes ago, Neostrider said:

I'd like to see Tunguska be the faction without cheerleaders.  It would feel very different to have a faction where everyone had a job to do and not simply sit around generating orders. 

I'm pretty sure we'll get AVA 2 in Transductor Zonds at least. Hopefully more.

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AVA2 on transductor, and AVA2 on Slayut minesweepers. That is 4 cheering orders. Not that loud compared to alg/mod.

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I still hope on CSU as cheerleaders. It would be awesome and fit fluff quite well.

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No cheerleaders sounds fine in concept, at least insofar as faction flavour goes, but a lack of cheap orders will cut down on the competitiveness of the sectorial. I'd rather see unique/interesting units filling out the rest of the faction.

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REMs could be all the order producer tunguska needs.

Right now there are 4 8 points Rems, what could puppetactical be? Other low cost rems? If so, tunguska could have all the cheap orders we require

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On 7/21/2017 at 3:47 PM, sarf said:

I still hope on CSU as cheerleaders. It would be awesome and fit fluff quite well.

No, it really wouldn't.

Corporate Security Units are, for lack of a better description, the trusted "troubleshooter" and/or bodyguard. They're something that should remain low AVA not be flipping cheerleaders.

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If you interpreted them as "muscle for the mob", they could definitely be cheerleaders.

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I'd say that if they were AVA 2 or 3 then at their price point that'd match their relatively elite state with providing relatively cheap regular orders with guns to Tunguska. If we assume that their line troops are basically Securitate and they're a late teens/early twenties point cost elite LI, then some guys who cost 10-12pts/have guns are going to be useful, and CSU would do that. There are lots of troops that would do that, but CSUs would do it too, and you only need a small number to round out a force a bit.

I wouldn't want to see them with an AVA of above 2 or 3 or linkable or anything like that. Relatively capable but cheap solo troops for various tasks like DZ defence and flank protection seems legit for them. It would also keep to a Nomad theme of metachemistry and body-mods being a thing. I like the idea. But I won't be disappointed if I don't see it, either.

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what if combat puppets end up like kuang shi, puppet master hacker and have puppets as cheap REMs warbands

Then have securitate as elite LI, I think the one problem with securitate having 6th sense actually is it lessens their value as a link team, id probably take them more in tenguska if there was a harris options (then you could take 2 x 3 squads of them for 2 small flexible fire squads which would make their repeaters way more valuable than just one big blob of 5 repeaters in 1 group) that or give some of them chain rifles options to keep link cost more palatable

127 ish 1.5 swc for a 5 man with

1 HMG_

3 combis

1 hacker

vs

128/1.5

a grenzer team with

1 FO

2 BS

1 spitfire

1 combi

 

for 1 point more I get way better toolkit options in terms of gear, +1 bs +2 cc +1 ph +2 arm +6 bts +msv lvl 1 and courage

but I lose 1 wip, 6th sense (get it from link anyway) and repeaters, get a hacker option(not really needed with all the interventors around and everyone carrying repeaters anyway) and a paramedic option.

with 6th sense I feel the point of securitate is to be solo dudes (it fits fluff wise to represent patrols) but I dont think their profiles carry the strength to survive solo, Id propose this as a solution but keeping their flavour, move repeater to a purchasable option on a profile to keep points costs lower so they are not fighting with grenzers but keep the ability to get one and give them harris. However if you do give securitate harris give grenzers duo instead of it, as I think it would look cool have them work in pairs as a security team.

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I am guessing the puppet thing is going to be like Antipodes or Uberfallkommando, rather than Kuang Shi or Hungaries.  My hope is that it is a shooty unit rather than a CC one.  Imagine if it were an unarmed Hacker with three REMs (I am thinking S1 minis on flight stands, because awesome!) and each REM has a different weapon, but you can only fire one of those per order.  Run up the table, score objectives, and pick the appropriate weapon for the situation.  Awesome!  Probably OP, but in my head it is fine!

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I'm guessing that the Puppets are going to be closer to Dakinis than anything else.

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That or a tenguskas versions of a post human comes with 1 hacker human and 3 remotes that the hacker "jumps to control"

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I like the idea of puppeteer being a proxy. It reminds me of ghost in the shell,  such is a strong reason I love this setting. 

One argument I have against it though is without a hacker on the table enemy hackers are strangely useless against it. They could isolate specific puppets but lose the hacker v hacker capabilities. He would bee immune to killer hacker devices. 

A kommando like toolbox of remotes with guns sounds too amazing to be true. It would be link team efficient, coordinated order amounts of firepower, and if it had anything bigger than a pistol would probably cost more than the kriza. I hope this is closet to the final result. 

I would be interested to know if they considered an assault hacking device with special program to possess rems. It seemed weird to me learning the game that tags could be hijacked with the pilot inside but remotely operated drones were safe. Could give him a pitcher or fast panda and maybe just a pistol.  Now I'm picturing the lost child from the manga. 

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12 minutes ago, Neostrider said:

I like the idea of puppeteer being a proxy. It reminds me of ghost in the shell,  such is a strong reason I love this setting. 

One argument I have against it though is without a hacker on the table enemy hackers are strangely useless against it. They could isolate specific puppets but lose the hacker v hacker capabilities. He would bee immune to killer hacker devices. 

A kommando like toolbox of remotes with guns sounds too amazing to be true. It would be link team efficient, coordinated order amounts of firepower, and if it had anything bigger than a pistol would probably cost more than the kriza. I hope this is closet to the final result. 

I would be interested to know if they considered an assault hacking device with special program to possess rems. It seemed weird to me learning the game that tags could be hijacked with the pilot inside but remotely operated drones were safe. Could give him a pitcher or fast panda and maybe just a pistol.  Now I'm picturing the lost child from the manga. 

i don't understand the part about Killer hacker vulnerabilities. anyway...

i feel that a trooper similar to Uberfallkommando could possibly be balanced.

1 hacker with the stats of a alguacile and up to 3 4-4 MOV G:Sync bots with BS 8-10 armed with pistols or chaincolts

 

Based on the cost of the Chimera, that should cost around 20ish point for the full package?

 

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 If its a proxy rule,  the hacker isn't on the rules don't support killing him if he's not on the table.  It would be possibly to hack kill each puppet but not the single consciousness mastermind I  1 attack. 

There are rules to balance when multiple cc attacks happen simultaneously. That's why the chimera can exist and is so niche. Shooting is a different matter.

  For 20 pts asking any HI to dodge or each 3 chain colt armor rolls is too powerful. It's practically an auto hit explosive ammo weapon. Opposed rolling for pistol attacks vs multiple synchronised bots also isn't easily handled.  It'd mechanically be the advantages of coordinated fire without a command token cost. I expect that would have a steep cost. 

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On 7/21/2017 at 3:47 PM, sarf said: I still hope on CSU as cheerleaders. It would be awesome and fit fluff quite well.

No, it really wouldn't.

Corporate Security Units are, for lack of a better description, the trusted "troubleshooter" and/or bodyguard. They're something that should remain low AVA not be flipping cheerleaders.

Low AVA =/= Not a cheerleader.

AVA2 11/12pt non-specialist LI are cheerleaders when your AVA total LI are ~20.

In exactly the same way that AVA2 Transductors are cheerleaders.

Re: Tactical Puppets. Honestly I'm expecting Combat Ghost: Servants or a Kuang Shi like REM 'warband'.

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I expect tactical puppets to be like Dakinis or Batroids, either that or like Kuang Shi. But it'd be cool if they were some sort of bit more cut-rate experimental Nomad Posthumans.

I'd do it by just having the one troop type, several different interesting profiles but one statline, and say you take 2-3 of them and otherwise they're exactly the same. Statwise I'd probably make them less powerful (though still clearly Lhosts) than Posthumans, and less flexible too because of the one "Mark" compared to five, but perhaps give them Holo Projector L1 so they can be a bit sneaky and tricksy, the Nomad way.

4-2, 14, 13, 11, 14, 3, 3, 1, 2, AVA 3

V: NWI, Multi-terrain.

Knife, Pistol, AP Mines, Combi-Rifle + LFT (Forward Observer, Infiltration, CH: Camo)

Knife, Pistol, MULTI Sniper Rifle (Infiltration, CH: Camo)

Knife, Pistol, HMG (Holo Projector L1)

Knife, Pistol, Stun Grenades, Boarding Shotgun, Hacker (Assault Hacking Device, Holo Projector L1)

Knife, Pistol, Combi-Rifle + E/M LGL, (Holo Projector L1)

That could be rather funky I think. Not that powerful but a cool way to give Tunguska Jumpers while still clearly showing that ALEPH is the best at this.

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Triple DTW attack already exists with a HFT on Scylla and Drakios, available on ALEPH and two sectorials now. For 20 points it could be too much, but Scylla still doesn't cost that much.

Not that I'd suspect puppets to look like that. I have no idea.

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6 hours ago, Loricus said:

Triple DTW attack already exists with a HFT on Scylla and Drakios, available on ALEPH and two sectorials now. For 20 points it could be too much, but Scylla still doesn't cost that much.

Not that I'd suspect puppets to look like that. I have no idea.

That is a pretty awesome unit.  I've never seen it before. It's priced cheaper than I expected. One cool double edged sword about it is the bots are also repeaters,  increasing his effective range and vulnerability range.  I suspect enemy hackers eat him up. 

Is there any mention of when we would see these profiles?  I wouldn't know when the speculation ended and everyone knew the details before the book dropped.  I'm going to gencon, would the sectorial book be there? 

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