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I genuinely think people are a bit too obsessed with the idea of this being a super similar Sectorial to every other Nomad one. I'm fully expecting this to be Nomad's version of the Imperial Service--lots of interlinkability between certain units, maybe one or two really cheap linkable units that need a babysitter to form the link, etc.

 

The more I keep thinking on Hollow Men the more I think they're going to be Dakini analogues without the Mimetism and instead having ODD or something like that.

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I am betting on something like Kanren or Locust for the Hollow men. Some form of agent type unit. Maybe something like Pheasants, so no real infiltrators.

I guess the robot theme could work as well, but somehow it feels to advanced for nomads.

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I would guess that Hollow man is some kind of a torpedo. Like Baba Yaga (that would be awesome)

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God I hope they at least have hollow 1 and are Ava 4 or something for so many shell games...

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I'd be interested is a net rod/ repeater AD Jump unit,  even if it had a tax on it. I don't want the same cheap orders hidden in a corner as everyone else. An army of remotes that are only 6-4 repeater 20~ points cheap orders maybe? 

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Noticing in the SSS fluff rogue aspects of aleph are talked about, think we'll see something like that with these new units? 

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2 minutes ago, InvalidEffort said:

Noticing in the SSS fluff rogue aspects of aleph are talked about, think we'll see something like that with these new units? 

It is coming out at the same time as SSS. It's easily possible but I wouldn't expect it either. It would be a character though.

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Re: Hollowmen. I think it's either an XCOM reference in which case Kanren like would be my guess.

Or I'm thinking animated sets of HI armour without bodies. So Karakuri like.

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11 hours ago, McNamara said:

I am betting on something like Kanren or Locust for the Hollow men. Some form of agent type unit. Maybe something like Pheasants, so no real infiltrators.

I guess the robot theme could work as well, but somehow it feels to advanced for nomads.

We're talking about the Black Hand and Tunguska here. These are the top tier of the Nomads when it comes to tech.

These are the guys responsible for messing with Avicenna and snatching a Recreation out from under the nose of ALEPH.

 

Your point has merit when we're talking about Corregidor who are the "mud and blood" type or Bakunin who are just the "lol we messed with stuff because reasons". Tunguska is infowar at its finest, and them pulling a "Chappie" with Dakinis is entirely appropriate I think.

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To be fair, Bakunin is not all messed up.  The Praxis Labs are experimenting with all manner of morally and legally questionable science, so it is not unreasonable for them to have access to high-level technology.  That said, it takes money to fund this research, so you know that Tunguska would be skimming the cream for themselves.  Corregidor, as you say, are 100% mud and blood.  Bakunin should have access to high-end technology (which we do see with things like Observance units getting ODD and MULTI Rifles like they are nothing), but we should see Tunguska rocking the cutting-edge.  I am excited to see what happens here :D

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Even Corregidor only looks low in-context. They design and produce their own power armor that matches major factions' front line armor. Could you imagine just designing and making your own tanks?

Tunguska has the stuff civilians don't even know is physically possible.

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Love the aesthetic of the faction so far three of my favorite models in the game (interventor, spektr, and kriza borack)...even the old spektr sculpt was solid...can't wait for hopefully resculpted sucuritate and the new tag sculpt! Hope they keep the high tech faceless sci-fi vibe they have going

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Corregidor are definitely not low tech: that title is reserved for Ariadna.  Corregidor are higher-tech than Haqqislam, with the likes of Combi Rifles and limited access to higher-tech equipment (eg MULTI Rifles)

Ultimately, I thought Corregidor got its goodies from Bakunin?  I know the Iguana and Gecko came via a Bakunin refurbishment (which are basically equivalent to fielding recommissioned Soviet tanks: it may be old tech, but it's build like a brick [email protected]%&house) and I thought that was basically true for most other things too.

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6 hours ago, Kanluwen said:

We're talking about the Black Hand and Tunguska here. These are the top tier of the Nomads when it comes to tech.

These are the guys responsible for messing with Avicenna and snatching a Recreation out from under the nose of ALEPH.

 

Your point has merit when we're talking about Corregidor who are the "mud and blood" type or Bakunin who are just the "lol we messed with stuff because reasons". Tunguska is infowar at its finest, and them pulling a "Chappie" with Dakinis is entirely appropriate I think.

I still think producing combat remotes on a massive scale doesn't fit the offplanet feel. YuJing and PanO (aka Aleph) have these giant planets where they can build plants to serial produce dakinis.

I imagine Nomads to customize there stuff in small teams. I don't know how many TAGs the Nomad Nation has, but I would guess it's maximum is more around one hundred in total, while other nations do thousands.

So a few high tech Remotes like Karakuri seem fitting to me too (that's not the issue), but not Line Infantry like regiments.

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Remember the old faction overviews that were available on the website? I couldn't find them while writing this.  If I remember,  nomads were described as relying on their many unique remotes.  Maybe these new units are an opportunity to round out nomads to fit that vision.  (Anyone have pictures of what that vision was? )

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9 hours ago, McNamara said:

I still think producing combat remotes on a massive scale doesn't fit the offplanet feel. YuJing and PanO (aka Aleph) have these giant planets where they can build plants to serial produce dakinis.

I imagine Nomads to customize there stuff in small teams. I don't know how many TAGs the Nomad Nation has, but I would guess it's maximum is more around one hundred in total, while other nations do thousands.

I don't get why this is still a thing.

Nomads have production in place to design, produce, and export weapons(the Akrylat-Kanone is a Nomad design as an example). They have production in place to outfit and refit TAGs purchased as obsolete. They have production in place to outfit the Nomad Military itself.

We know that while the Nomad Nation is "offplanet" they do have interests on planet in the form of the "Commercial Missions". Do we know exactly how large things like that are?

9 hours ago, McNamara said:

So a few high tech Remotes like Karakuri seem fitting to me too (that's not the issue), but not Line Infantry like regiments.

Considering one of the Nomads' biggest resources is its personnel and their expertise, I'd say that the opposite would be true.

It might simply be that it's one of those things which isn't bandied about too publicly for whatever reason. In that context, the Hollow Men being Remotes with Holo-Projectors allowing them to be "disguised" as actual human guards accompanying Nomad specialist personnel would be a very fluffy and sensible thing.

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Another possibility no one has mentioned yet is that the Nomad nation is more than just three motherships.  It also involves untold numbers of smaller ships.  I do not consider it unreasonable, nor unlikely, that they would be smuggling weapons under the corridors and in the walls of their ships.  Larger ships could be smuggling larger armaments, including REMs and TAGs.  They could also have weapons present on Caravansaries, on the agreement that they are available as sneaky merchandise to Haqqislam.  The lack of a planet is not a concern given Nomads have a physical presence in every system across the Human Sphere.  If you think of them as pan-system guerrillas, the Nomads could easily have a force of killer robots hidden around the place.

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3 hours ago, Kanluwen said:

I don't get why this is still a thing.

Nomads have production in place to design, produce, and export weapons(the Akrylat-Kanone is a Nomad design as an example). They have production in place to outfit and refit TAGs purchased as obsolete. They have production in place to outfit the Nomad Military itself.

We know that while the Nomad Nation is "offplanet" they do have interests on planet in the form of the "Commercial Missions". Do we know exactly how large things like that are?

As I've said in the past the Nomads approach their military kind of like Israel does today. They'll get some older tech (like a gen 3 fighter) and refit them. They also have military exports (the Tavar bullpup rifle) but compared to the military exports of the US or Russia (PanO and Yu Jing in infinity) it is incredibly small. That and they don't export anything incredibly complex or large.

For commercial missions they're like Nomad hubs/embassies on other planets or in orbit. So a medium orbital to a large building in size. They're not very big.

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16 minutes ago, Solodice said:

As I've said in the past the Nomads approach their military kind of like Israel does today. They'll get some older tech (like a gen 3 fighter) and refit them. They also have military exports (the Tavar bullpup rifle) but compared to the military exports of the US or Russia (PanO and Yu Jing in infinity) it is incredibly small. That and they don't export anything incredibly complex or large.

I'd argue that the Akrylat-Kanone+ADHL are fairly complex. The idea might be simple, but you'd need specialized techniques to manufacture that. And we know that the Akrylat-Kanone Ariadnan Dozers use is Nomad in origin.

Then you have things like the E/Maulers that the Ariadnans use, which are Nomad in origin.

16 minutes ago, Solodice said:

For commercial missions they're like Nomad hubs/embassies on other planets or in orbit. So a medium orbital to a large building in size. They're not very big.

That's not exactly very small either. They might not be manufacturing hubs, but there's nothing preventing them from being storehouses or the like for tech.

 

Tunguska is the high-tech money/data faction of the Nomads. We're already seeing this in the form of TO Camo for the Spektrs, Grenzers having some fairly nice kit, Interventors being well-equipped, and the Kriza Borac being a relatively well supplied/armored unit.

 

Nothing you've said suggests that they cannot or do not have access to a Dakini styled unit.

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The fact that Pi-well is an oddity in Nomads as a bipedal REM does.

This doesn't mean that we won't get a Dakini-lite REM option, just that it's unlikely to be bipedal.

S1 Spider bots that are basically electronic Kuang Shi - without Explode - and linkable with a Securitae/Interventor hacker would work.

Would put TJC in a similar design space to Onyx with Interventors as the 'can be in any link' rather than Vampires and their Renfields.

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11 minutes ago, inane.imp said:

The fact that Pi-well is an oddity in Nomads as a bipedal REM does.

So Zondbots and Zondcats don't exist?

logo_501.png Nomads
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logo_34.pngZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_24.pngTOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges + 1 Zondcat / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
 sep.giflogo_24.pngZONDCAT Electric Pulse. (4)

0 SWC | 29 Points

Open in Infinity Army

 

11 minutes ago, inane.imp said:

This doesn't mean that we won't get a Dakini-lite REM option, just that it's unlikely to be bipedal.

S1 Spider bots that are basically electronic Kuang Shi - without Explode - and linkable with a Securitae/Interventor hacker would work.

Would put TJC in a similar design space to Onyx with Interventors as the 'can be in any link' rather than Vampires and their Renfields.

I think it remains to be seen what Interventors will be doing. I can see them getting access to Hollow Men as a Haris or even a Fireteam: Triad--but I just can't see them as Silhouette 1.

 

They're called "Hollow Men" for a reason, and I think that reason is that they're robots.

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If they wanted S2 REM line troops they would just do it.

Edit: "they" being CB.

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36 minutes ago, Loricus said:

If they wanted S2 REM line troops they would just do it.

Edit: "they" being CB.

Absolutely, 100% true.

 

We have a few things still that we don't have an inkling about for Tunguska, and Hollow Men are one of them. We know as well that there are "Tactical Puppets"--but whether or not those are the same things? Who knows.

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@Kan. Clearly I meant S2, but yeah I misspoke.

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