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Fluffy ISS Penal force

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Commanders of the Jade Empire, I'm looking for opinions please.

My idea is to create a themed ISS list that I can have packed with me ready for pick-up games.  I fully understand that Infinity is all about the missions and that having a pre-constructed list is not really how it works but sometimes it's nice to be able to just know I can grab a game if the circumstances allow it.  It doesn't have to be tournament viable but it also needs to at least try and be functional.

The concept was going to be a Crane commanding a penal force.  Basically the guys who get sent to do the less glamourous more hidden missions where the chances are high that they are not coming back.  I've got this as the basis of the list made from my favourite Crane model, the Kuang Shi box and the Wu Ming box.

logo_202.png Imperial Service
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_2.pngZHÀNYING Missile Launcher, Nanopulser, Nimbus Grenades / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 28)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Fireteam: Duo) Chain Rifle, Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png1  
logo_5.pngCRANE IMPERIAL AGENT Lieutenant (Sensor, X Visor) MULTI Rifle, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 52)

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The problem is I don't know how to fill out the rest of the list.  What would make sense background wise?  To me the most obvious would be some remotes/hackers. Given the expend ability of the force it seems that Sophi (Doc + Engineer) would not be sent but without those specialisations I'm giving myself a real problem doing classified missions.

How would you spend the last few points to end up with something that was at least partly viable?

Thanks

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I'm not overly fond of the Missile Zhanying, due to it being close enough in price to the Wu Ming HRL but none of the staying power - similar to how I'm not fond of the Panzerfaust. Now, the Missile Launcher has range advantage that the HRL does not have, but even at a 6 BS points flip advantage it still risks eating an ARO to the face that it can't survive where the Wu Ming can. Let me take a few liberties with your list and a tiny bit with your concept.

Let me present; the disgraced Zhanying commander who gets put in charge of a band of misfits. The real slave-driver here is the hearless Celestial Guard who is there to monitor the Zhanying and make at least a half-hearted effort to make sure he gets a shot at redemption. The two Husong are on paper there to provide support, but the Zhanying is fully aware that they are programmed to gun down anyone going in the wrong direction - friend or foe system be damned. The Rui Shi will provide supporting fire and, if possible, extract the Celestial Guard should things go south.

(For SWC reasons I dropped the HRL after all, I added the Tinbot since with Alive the risks of being hacked is huge regardless of foe and I changed the Zhanying to be LT simply to save points by removing the Crane.)

logo_202.png Imperial Service
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Fireteam: Duo) Chain Rifle, Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG Boarding Shotgun + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
logo_2.pngZHÀNYING Lieutenant (Sensor) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 26)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png5  
logo_28.pngKǍNRÈN Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 29)
logo_17.pngHÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_17.pngHÙSÒNG Yaókòng HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)
logo_14.pngRUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
logo_19.pngCHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

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Now, what's missing in the original list for pure gameplay is a Sophotect and/or a Kanren. If you wish to keep it barebones penal squad, Kanren is probably your go-to trooper as well. I don't think the Crane will do much without Celestial Guards pumping orders and link team bonuses into them.

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Thanks @Mahtamori for taking a look.  I like your idea and it's given me something to think about.

I do have the issue that I love my Crane model and really want to get that in the list despite it being less than optimal.  I mean there will be a few 'less than optimal' choices made whilst constructing this and it's supposed to be a 'casual' list for fun games rather than a focused tournament winner!  I can imagine that whilst a Crane might not be 'in disgrace' over something simply because he should have the training and experience not to completely mess something up he could be 'out of favour' due to political games at the higher Agent ranks.

"Your old colleague Yan Tai has just made Hsein rank and has personally assigned you to this important mission Li Chang.  He has assembled a force which will be waiting for you when you arrive.  May you honour the Emperor with you success."

I wonder if instead of remotes I should have some Celestial Guard to back him up?  That basically means I'm potentially running 3 core fire teams and could use command tokens to swap about during the game.  That might be funky. :)

I think that not having an Engineer or Doctor is also the way forward.  Yes it makes some missions (highly classified) an absolute nightmare but it just doesn't feel right to have a sophotect assigned to what amounts to a bunch of expendable convicts and remotes.

I had just taken the options from the base boxes so I didn't spend much time thinking about who had what.  I guess in the spirit of Infinity I can call out a few proxies to go with the better profiles.

If I keep the remotes I'll alter them around a little to fit what I own as well. Lose one of the Husong for a second Ru Shi.

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Celestial Guard are the beat cops of the ISS so having some of them along as a bodyguard (possibly to link with your Crane, watching his back whilst he's surrounded by both the enemy and criminals) is fluffy, though I think the sensor Crane is a damn fine unit by themselves. 

A Pheasant could be an apprentice/assistant/batman to the Crane, maybe an agent that is looking to redeem a tarnished reputation, Pheasants can also command Bao troops, who are perfect for monitoring the Wu Ming/Kuang Shi and making sure they don't go AWOL (bio/multi spectral visors). Bao also have a pretty unsavoury reputation so seeing one forced into a suicide squad is not surprising. 

The ISS don't have their own medical/engineering corps. Rather than risk civilian lives, attaching a Sophotect to the mission brings technical expertise and it can't truly be killed as it was never truly alive, the Lhost is potentially quite valuable though so the Wu Ming would be expected to protect it. 

Remotes are cheap and plentiful, an enterprising Wu Ming could probably "find" a few spare REMs that are just sitting in storage not doing anything and put the to work for the glory of the Statempire. Which would be very Dirty Dozen. 

Also, Ninjas don't exist, any reports of Ninjas working alongside your force are the ravings of criminal lunatics or enemy propaganda. 

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49 minutes ago, Col said:

A Pheasant could be an apprentice/assistant/batman to the Crane, maybe an agent that is looking to redeem a tarnished reputation,

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18 hours ago, Col said:

Remotes are cheap and plentiful, an enterprising Wu Ming could probably "find" a few spare REMs that are just sitting in storage not doing anything and put the to work for the glory of the Statempire. Which would be very Dirty Dozen.

How do you think that Wu Ming got assigned to the regiment in the first place? :evil:

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Well, I need to play about with the individual options but this does at least make a valid list.

logo_202.png Fluffy
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_2.pngZHÀNYING Missile Launcher, Nanopulser, Nimbus Grenades / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 28)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG Panzerfaust, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 29)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Fireteam: Duo) Chain Rifle, Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png5  
logo_5.pngCRANE IMPERIAL AGENT Lieutenant (Sensor, X Visor) MULTI Rifle, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 52)
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 17)
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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I think I'll go with this.

You have the 'out of favour' Crane agent with his personal staff of loyal Celestial Guard.

You have the penal force that he has been assigned and is forced to work with for his mission.

You have a 'warcor' which I see more as thinly disguised 'spy' keeping tabs on the Crane.

It's not the best list design in the world but it was never supposed to be.  Comments welcome.

logo_202.png Fluffy2
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png4
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)
logo_10.pngKUANG SHI Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
logo_2.pngZHÀNYING (Sensor) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nimbus Grenades, MadTraps / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 28)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG Boarding Shotgun + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 33)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG (Fireteam: Duo) Chain Rifle, Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
logo_6.pngWÚ MÍNG HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png4  orden_irregular.png1  
logo_5.pngCRANE IMPERIAL AGENT Lieutenant (X Visor) Spitfire, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 54)
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_1.pngCELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_25.pngWARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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