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How do you fit a Malignos into your lists? It's so expensive!

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Malignos being good in Rescue. Malignos killing TR drones with ease. Malignos MSR setting up shop in a hard to reach sniper spot or shooting across the board from left to right.

All that I read here thinking, man, I really need to bring one next time! Only to dispair when building my list because it's SO expensive!

I mean, what to drop? A lot of my lists look like - EI aspect, E-Drone plus R,R,Ika,Ika for that sweet Overclock and cheap AROs/orders. Then a Noctifer ML because it's flat out fantastic. Then a Q-Drone, and with the rest of the points I need to cater to the mission, bringing Dr. Worm or a Fraacta or a Speculo or Daturazi for orders/smoke for a Charontid. Sigh.

I really want to try a Malignos again (did it twice where he was meh) and also the Noctifer Spitfire. Same problem with Ko Dali - I'd love to bring her in Firefight but I find the Fraacta Spitfire simply way more competitive, and it's cheaper, too.

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Can't think of a Malignos profile I don't like.

The hacker is an excellent button pusher and disruption threat, the shotgun is my favourite ambush unit, the sniper is pretty obvious and the forward observer is fantastic if you want to run a T-drone (suprise, TO & cover for -12 then apply missile death), in Onyx unless I'm running a Rodok or Xeodron link in a hardcore direct action list they are almost an auto include as bag men/trouble shooting units.

Also Fraacta are good but Ko-dali is a murder machine: MSV 2 BS14 assault pistols from the side with D-charges and the ability to snack on flank guards is good to say the least.

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15 hours ago, Graviton said:

Also Fraacta are good but Ko-dali is a murder machine: MSV 2 BS14 assault pistols from the side with D-charges and the ability to snack on flank guards is good to say the least.

Alright, I'll bring a Malignos in my next game and see how he does!

But the Ko Dali vs Fraacta argument - to me it's not only the cheaper Spitfire with superior range compared to the pistols/combi, what massively swings my opinion is the 2 wounds. Maybe my opponents are simply especially careful but it's almost impossible to find a place to bring in an AD trooper without catching an ARO or having to round a corner into a direct template weapon. I REALLY want to like Ko Dali, even tried lists with her and a Speculo for synergy. She never did anything a Fraacta wouldn't have been able to do, too, or better. Which makes me a little sad.

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2 hours ago, BlackCadian said:

But the Ko Dali vs Fraacta argument - to me it's not only the cheaper Spitfire with superior range compared to the pistols/combi, what massively swings my opinion is the 2 wounds. Maybe my opponents are simply especially careful but it's almost impossible to find a place to bring in an AD trooper without catching an ARO or having to round a corner into a direct template weapon. I REALLY want to like Ko Dali, even tried lists with her and a Speculo for synergy. She never did anything a Fraacta wouldn't have been able to do, too, or better. Which makes me a little sad.

Sounds like a meta thing, but even then there are ways,  one of my most recent games my opponent put down steel phalanx and specifically left a chain rifle myrmidon in his back left specifically to watch out for AD troops.  I moved a kurgat autocannon forwards to sweep him out and bluffed him into dropping smoke. Ko dali came into the smoke and wiped out (and ate) a link team using MSV2.  Ended up accounting for more than half the list.

Another example (also steel phalanx)

She isn't a Rasyat for CC and she isn't a fraacta for survivability but she has utility.  Protheon gives her stealth and the ability to gain additional wounds off her kills (and a bit good against delicious cheerleaders in combat) and up to 16 she's dynamite that ignores mimetism and ODD mods.  Anything more than 16" and I'm generally looking for that to be done by a suryat or Rodok or other big nasty thing with a gun in the main line, my AD troops are generally CQB focused and aimed at collapsing a flank.

 

Aaaanyway Back on topic

One of my more recent success stories with a Malignos ambusher on an obvious objective my enemy had to go for ODD can get in the sea As a note I lost this game and used two ambushers, the main success story was the ambush on kusanagi, the major mistake I made was ambushing the morlock in an attempt to save the rodok team who i allowed to get pinned down.

One thing I did learn from another game is don't ambush ODD link team snipers with your malignos sniper, choose your victims wisely and bully accordingly.

 

Further off topic I've now quoted two games against steel phalanx as reason to use Ko-dali and two games against Observancy (different players that time) as cautionary tales about malignos.  I don't think my meta is entirely ODD.

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Ko-Dali is all kinds of fun. Even at 8-16" she's hitting on 14s with B5 for 0SWC. The Fraacta spitfire is at 15s with B4. 2W and 16-24" is nice but so is MSV2 on an AD trooper that doesn't cost 1.5SWC. 

The Malignos is just ok imo. I feel it is paying for some useless skills. Shasvasti and Auotmedkit doesn't seem helpful on an infiltrator with PH12. I'd much rather have those 4 points back. But it's our only infiltrating trooper capable of hidden deployment and coming back from the dead with automedkit could be a big moment in the game. The shotgun and AHD seem like the most useful profiles to me. I never choose the Malignos atm because quite capable alternatives exist in the Fraacta, Noctifer, and Legate, all with an awesome miniature already.

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2 hours ago, Jujoji said:

But it's our only infiltrating trooper capable of hidden deployment

This.  I didn't bring one for the longest time because of the price, but having a Infiltrating HD Specialist can be very powerful in missions that score on the last turn.  I'm slowly coming around to fitting one in when I can.

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Those Mono mines can be nasty and the hacker is useful. Taking one to back up some shrouded makes for a good mid field team. Your dropping a Speculo or Fraacta for one but it can be worth it. I've won games thanks to a lucky automedkit heal. The Noctifer ML tends to be better than a TO sniper because of its cheaper cost and the fact that it has an assault pistol.

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Having multiple automedkit models (such as Shrouded or Soggies) increases their value a little as you can coordinate them should things go badly! 

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Malignos hacker is my MVP in most games.  Murders near anything with surprise shot, hacks to immobilise HI that are otherwise resistant to a combi-rifle and infiltrates in HD to push all the buttons you need in ITS.  Yes, the auto-medkit and Shavasti rules bloat the points cost a little but you are getting a lot of utility and have the support of Onyx firepower to put down any MSV2 that may interfere with him. 

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I take the FO a lot in Onyx as he's the only infiltrating FO we have. He's brilliant but fragile and when he goes down it's a lot of points potentially down the pan, though the Automedikit can help in this point, as can his Spawn-Embryo for the area control missions.

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