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How would you go about converting additional Daylami?

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I've been regularly fielding two to four Daylami panzerfaust infiltrators lately, and I can see myself reasonably using six.

 

The Hassassin starter has one, and one with a rifle, but that's it for official models. So how would you suggest I go about making more?

 

I'm not bad with green stuff, my bits box is substantial, and I know I'll probably have to chop up some models.

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Try some 1 or 2gen Ghilim? There was one 2ed sculpt with a Panzerfaust, too. 

You might be able to get them somewhere still...

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I actually got hold of the previous starter set recently, but the uniform design on those ghilim is basically the same as the current ones, rather than like daylami.

 

I'll have a hunt for pictures of other old ghilim sculpts in case any of them are have a similar uniform (to minimize the amount I have to convert). Good thought.

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Well, early sculpts had those "hand dryer vents" on their backs, since around 2ed starter they started getting backpacks (like the Daylami have). 

But if you're good with greenstuff, I would say camouflage ponchos / cloaks / nettings are definitely a way to go with Limited Camo, Inferior Infiltration.

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Well, this problem solved itself. The New HB starter looks to have three Daylami in it. 

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Really? Where was that picture released?

 

Hmm, as a starter set that seems like terrible design. Imagine trying to learn the game with that.

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The original Hassassin starter wasn't that good either. Too many SWC for the points, two Irregular and one AD, plus an Impersonator. It was a trainwreck of an illegal list, complicated rules and not enough Regular orders on the board when you start. As a bunch of Hassassin units it was fantastic, it was just an awful starter.

This new starter continues that tradition. Three Irregular orders (so the same lack of Regular orders), Holo 2 (complicated rules), no legal Lt option (illegal list) and a Chain of Command model (though this can be proxied as the Minelayer variant). But as a collection of models? Bunch of fantastic Hassassin models you'll get a lot of use out of.

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Good point, it's only a little worse as a starter set for a new player.

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Unless the Daylami receive a profile update then it indeed is a horrible starter set. 

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I forgot that the Muyib Smoke LGL can be a Lieutenant. So it does have one. Also the Farzan Rifle is the FO or Minelayer, not Chain of Command. So it's actually better. It's still woefully short on Regular orders though

19 minutes ago, Alkasyn said:

Unless the Daylami receive a profile update then it indeed is a horrible starter set. 

The Infiltration profiles are pretty fantastic as budget speedbumps to put in your opponents half of the board. I just think they should have kept them out of the starter, since half the orders being Irregular is hard.

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24 minutes ago, Loki said:

Also the Farzan Rifle is the FO or Minelayer, not Chain of Command.

FO. He's sporting a Rifle, where Minelyer has a BSG.

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1 hour ago, Errhile said:

FO. He's sporting a Rifle, where Minelyer has a BSG.

Nice. I've been surprised how often I use that profile even in vanilla.

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8 hours ago, Loki said:

I forgot that the Muyib Smoke LGL can be a Lieutenant. So it does have one. Also the Farzan Rifle is the FO or Minelayer, not Chain of Command. So it's actually better. It's still woefully short on Regular orders though

The Infiltration profiles are pretty fantastic as budget speedbumps to put in your opponents half of the board. I just think they should have kept them out of the starter, since half the orders being Irregular is hard.

I wasn't commenting on the qualities of the Daylamis, more on the fact they're irregular which makes their inclusion in the starter a mistake. 

 

Believe me , I know they're good, I always run 5. They're just not starter box material. 

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4 hours ago, Alkasyn said:

Believe me , I know they're good, I always run 5. They're just not starter box material. 

Yeah, I highly agree. Great units, but not for a starter for new players...

And about converting them:

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From idea to final mini. I also managed to get the old Ghulam with Panzerfaust and will propably change her into Daylami too.

 

PozdRawiam / Greetings

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On 29.07.2017 at 9:53 PM, Hexa said:

I've been regularly fielding two to four Daylami panzerfaust infiltrators lately, and I can see myself reasonably using six.

The Hassassin starter has one, and one with a rifle, but that's it for official models. So how would you suggest I go about making more?

I'm not bad with green stuff, my bits box is substantial, and I know I'll probably have to chop up some models.

I would recommend to wait next Hassasin starter, it contains three Daylami and it will be releaced in september.

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14 hours ago, Alkasyn said:

I wasn't commenting on the qualities of the Daylamis, more on the fact they're irregular which makes their inclusion in the starter a mistake. 

 

Believe me , I know they're good, I always run 5. They're just not starter box material. 

Like I said before, this line of thinking confuses me. Starters are typically slightly over 100 pts, sometimes below that. Saying that they aren't battle-ready force because of irregular orders while ignoring that you need a box or two on top of starter anyway is, IMHO, somewhat disingenuous. 

You may argue that you can use more well-rounded starters to play small test games and figure out whether Infinity clicks with you or not, but I'd say that you don't even need a starter for that, and, in fact, you should be doing that with proxies before you spend money.

Getting a starter usually means that you know well what you are getting into and it's likely that it's not the only box you order anyway.

Well, at least it's how I see it. 

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yeah I find the starter set good because its all units that are likely to be used in a fully fleshed out force. Only thing i think is a bummer is the ayyar over an asawira, ayyar already has an amazing model that just got released and this was the perfect opportunity to re do the asawira. Either way im psyched for this starter as for your question. if you want to convert daylami, I got ghulams and added backpacks from hasslefree miniatures that had a panzerfaust style weapon strapped to the backpack. worked a charm

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Good idea. Hasslefree miniatures, you say?

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you arent allowed to link here i think but it is their modern engineer backpack

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1 hour ago, Barrogh said:

Like I said before, this line of thinking confuses me. Starters are typically slightly over 100 pts, sometimes below that. Saying that they aren't battle-ready force because of irregular orders while ignoring that you need a box or two on top of starter anyway is, IMHO, somewhat disingenuous. 

You may argue that you can use more well-rounded starters to play small test games and figure out whether Infinity clicks with you or not, but I'd say that you don't even need a starter for that, and, in fact, you should be doing that with proxies before you spend money.

Getting a starter usually means that you know well what you are getting into and it's likely that it's not the only box you order anyway.

Well, at least it's how I see it. 

Well, a lot of us come form the era when a starter was balanced around being 150pts, mostly self-contained starter army. With 3 basic infantrymen for Orders, a specialist, a heavy-hitter and something faction-specific. Like the old (1. gen) Haqq vanilla starter with 3 Ghilim, a Khawarij, a Hunzakut and a Djanbazan, or the slightly newer (2. gen) with 3 Ghilim, Naffatun, Janissary and Hunzakut. Or even the up to date with 3  Ghilim, Khawarij, Zhayedan and Touareg. Compare that to the QK starter (3 Hafzas, Odalisque, Djanbazan, al'Hawwa).

Now if we consider that to be a standard (and I'm not saying it is the golden standard, just a standard) - which seems to be kept for most starter boxes - then both the old and the new Hassassin starters seem very, very odd...

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@Errhile

Well, what I see looking at other faction / sectorial starters (and, in fact, army lists), sectorial sets try to offer you list-specific minis, including order mokeys. Thing is, HB doesn't have list-specific order monkeys, they only have remotes and ghilim. Ghilim are likely reserved for vanilla/Ramah, while remotes are different things altogether.

What we are left with are units in the same weight category, which are irregular, however. 

You can, of course, stuff every Haq starter with ghilim, but that will get unwieldy for anyone but day 1 players. It's likely not worth it considering both categories will likely have to buy ghulam box anyway, or even scrap ghulim altogether. 

Tl;dr: It's because Haq doesn't have 3-4 flavours of order monkeys to fill all potential sectorial boxes, so this had to happen to one or two of them. 

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Of course, at this moment it is all baseless - and pointless, given the new Bagram starter is set already - theorizing, but weren't we considering a possible composition of a Bahram starter just a few days ago? One with 3 extra Muyibs, to complement the expected Muyib SWC box? An another Rifle Govad wouldn't be a bad idea either, as for them there is only a single sculpt with just a Rifle, as opposed to 4 sculpts with various SWC options.

Hassassins do, IMO, require their take on the Order Monkeys (and no, REMs don't fulfill that role for them: 1 Fanous and 2 Kameel aren't near the level of 3 Fanous and 2 Kameel QK can field). As I said, it is not impossible for us to be getting the Farzan with some form of Inspiring Leadership for Daylami, thus giving us an analog to the Kuang Shi in Imperial Service. Not very likely, though.

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53 minutes ago, Errhile said:

Hassassins do, IMO, require their take on the Order Monkeys (and no, REMs don't fulfill that role for them: 1 Fanous and 2 Kameel aren't near the level of 3 Fanous and 2 Kameel QK can field). As I said, it is not impossible for us to be getting the Farzan with some form of Inspiring Leadership for Daylami, thus giving us an analog to the Kuang Shi in Imperial Service. Not very likely, though.

53 minutes ago, Errhile said:

 

Sorry for the above, my mobile seems to be unable to work with these forums correctly. 

Anyway, what I was trying to say, you guys should really be afraid of your wishes. We all know how some wargames (ahem) ended up being complete mess when developers decided to make wishlist-worthy changes every edition and inbetween, trying, possibly, to drive the sales up. 

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On 7/29/2017 at 3:53 PM, Hexa said:

I've been regularly fielding two to four Daylami panzerfaust infiltrators lately, and I can see myself reasonably using six.

 

The Hassassin starter has one, and one with a rifle, but that's it for official models. So how would you suggest I go about making more?

 

I'm not bad with green stuff, my bits box is substantial, and I know I'll probably have to chop up some models.

Hi, I guess you going to wait for new starter now (as do I), but other than that, I think Nomad Jaguars box (one has panzerfaust, one has shotgun) can work well for Dailamis conversion. If you working on Gazis too and will swap (with some conversion effort) males heads between jaguars and gazis, result could be quite nice.

Other that that two Dailami which are in old starter can be bought separately in box of two. But then you have multiple same models on table, of course you can slightly convert them.

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1 hour ago, Greg said:

Other that that two Dailami which are in old starter can be bought separately in box of two. But then you have multiple same models on table, of course you can slightly convert them.

They were. Got discontinued with the introduction of N3.

So the only chance of finding them is getting them from some really old stock now (or second-handed).

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