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So for hassassins there are three core links that you can get to 5 members. Ghulams(with leila), Muyibs and Govads. 

What do people take generally. my first impressions is that Govads are the weakest but not unuseable. Muyibs and ghulams clearly are meant for different roles But i am interested in hearing what people think about them in the context of Hassassins.

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Not a Hassassin player but I do jealously look at them from time to time. I'd run a Ghulam missile turret with Sixth Sense brain melting Leila every time, and ideally never spend an order on it. There are too many interesting and deadly things that love lots of orders, like Fiday, Ayyar, Ghazi and the Assawira + muyib haris  to spend life trying to maneuver a squishy link into DTW range.

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Govads are 'weak' in that Ghulam and Muyibs are utterly fantastic.

Ghulam are super cheap with loads of options that other factions LI links wish they had, high WIP on their specialists as well as a Doctor Plus, and a cheap KHD MSR with d-charges to bring it to 5. Muyibs are a swiss army knife link that can do almost anything, with a fantastic Doctor to keep them going, can never be broken thanks to every member having number 2, and some great SWC options. Oh and they all have Dogged if your Doctor Plus takes a hit and you really need something done. And d-charges everywhere.

Govads don't have nearly as many tricks as Muyibs, nor are they as cheap as Ghulam, or as versatile as either. However, they are still the sectorials only answer to a camo surprise attack, in that they can negate the negative modifiers entirely. If you suspect your opponent is going to be packing a lot of camo, then they're a great choice. Otherwise they're just 'good' next to two choices that are fantastic.

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yeah when i say weak, I mean weakest of the 3 as opposed to a bad unit. Muyibs are the most toolboxy unit i have ever seen and ghulams are cheap, can take leila to up their versatility and have lightshotguns everywhere. 

I will end up painting them all :)

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I feel like Ghulam are a great solid core when you want other expensive things (fiday, Ayyar, Asawira Haris, Ragik, Farzan) to do the heavy lifting. Muyibs are a solid core and do heavy lifting in one. The 1 swc HRL on the cheapest profile is sickening at times. Prob like the Ghulam more since Leila made them a 5, because it opens out so many other cool toys. You kinda get both with Ghulam core + Asawira haris with 1-2 Muyibs in it. Muyib Core + Govads haris has worked against me but I haven't used it myself. Purty models tho.

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For me the problem with Govads is the lack of a Doc+. If they had one, I would field them quite often. 

They are more of a backline than a assault link so a seperate Doctor will do, but since the Asawiras do the heavy lifting, a Ghulam Core is sufficient for me. It can also be the backup assault/Objective team, when the Asawira Haris is destroyed. 

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The govads are for playing against factions with lots of camo and ODD. Hassasins have a weakness against them, and needed a fix. Other than that I find ghulams or Muyib beat them.

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So, practically, how do you incorporate Govads into your gameplan? Do you bring one of the two lists with them, in case you are going to face such a faction?

I'm assuming that you need them as a core in this case for that SS2 buff against camo and their surprise attacks. Also, it will probably not very efficient to rely on standards HB tricks such as fidays, so they'll probably be out of that list too.

Or are there better ideas?

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It all depends. 

Govads can be used as a Core, where they basically work the role of upgraded Ghilim. Better stats, MSV L1, plethora of heavy weapons.

However keep in mind you can still choose them as a Haris Team, which brings quite some ARO goodies with long-range, powerful weapons.

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Yeah Govads would be used by having one list in a tournament with them, either Core or Haris. Also remember that the MSV helps with terrain as well! You should use it. 

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7 hours ago, Orthas said:

Yeah Govads would be used by having one list in a tournament with them, either Core or Haris. Also remember that the MSV helps with terrain as well! You should use it. 

Well, I'm not very familiar with scenarios yet, so I guess I tend to undervalue things like terrain skills, or MSV1 in this case.

In theory, I gravitate towards Govads core (so that this list would cover everything it can including camo marker alpha more effectively), but that can be a pretty unwieldy list, to be honest. How would you build it? 

Tbh it's less of a govad-specific question, and more general one. As far as fireteam composition goes, I, being a lazy slouch, relegate those decisions to whoever packed model boxes. As such, my cores tend to end up with an active gun (HMG), more reactive-relevant gun (HRL/ML, also doubles as anti-link) and an assortment of misc. guys (usually with a specialist there somewhere). Not very purposeful, but when it comes to Govads, I feel like it's an okay composition. 

The reason I think so is that you will definitely want to use your "camo killers" on offense, so HMG should probably be there, meanwhile multiple MLs feel like a risk since camo enemies tend to also infiltrate, so rangebands of MLs is likely a concern.

I would add a ghulam doc in such a list, maybe with a nasmat too. If you are relying on your core keeping 4/5 ppl bonuses, might as well try to support them here.

Finally, I would like some advices on how to best protect your links against a**holes with template weapons and hidden deployment. Just today (I'm show, I know) I've realized how brutal those can be, and how order-intensive they can be to flush out even if you have tools.

Any thoughts? 

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Scenarios don't dictate terrain and it varies a lot by gaming group. But you are leaving a lot of units underpowered if you don't use terrain rules, as there are the multiterrain and MSV1 guys. 

How do you build it? Slap stuff on top, it's only 120 points for the Govads. I would probably take a Fiday, Ayyar or Asawira Haris with Muyibs, Barid, Mutts and something else. Govads suffer a lot from lack of Doctor, so bring a good one (all of them are) with Nasmat. 

If I was picking Govad Core, I would take HMG 100% of time as well as the Number 2. Then I'd probably skip the ML as the SWC cost is big and use that on Asawira Spit, Muyib HRL or Daylamis. I'd maybe bring a sniper as it's cheap (4pts, 0.5swc) and definitely a Killer Hacker if the scenario needs one. Then last one or two members would be basic rifles with shotguns. 

Template weapons are easy: don't bunch up and kill them before they get to you if they are direct templates (you can use Mutts as speedbumps). For TO-camo there isn't so much to do until they reveal. After they do, I would park a Mutt next to it, or if it's not in marker state, just isolate it. Or shoot with shotgun, remember in a fireteam you ignore surprise shot, shotgun is +6 close range so you have great chance of winning even in reactive against the -6. 

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For me its all about 5 man Muyib (Heavy rocket primary weapon, spitfire, Leila, and then the final 2 are based on mood.  Doctor/LT/Minelayers)  I've even been known to keep backup link team members available.  (it can be an 8 man link, so extras can be your friend.

 

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15 minutes ago, Forbino said:

For me its all about 5 man Muyib (Heavy rocket primary weapon, spitfire, Leila, and then the final 2 are based on mood.  Doctor/LT/Minelayers)  I've even been known to keep backup link team members available.  (it can be an 8 man link, so extras can be your friend.

 

That's a huge thing about Muyibs: you can start with seven members with 5-strong core and Asawira+2Muyib Haris. Then later on release Asawira to make use of free order from Frenzy and remake Muyibs when some go down. 

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I'd consider running the Govad HMG solo for cammo hunting, then a full defensive Ghulam link, and an Asawira+Muyib haris link.

The Govad's lack of a Doctor is what ruins them for me, too. They've got a lack of specialists in general, I'd rather have at least two in my core link.

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14 minutes ago, Natsymir said:

I'd consider running the Govad HMG solo for cammo hunting, then a full defensive Ghulam link, and an Asawira+Muyib haris link.

Who needs Muyibs in that kind of beautiful list? 

Just take 3 Fireteams, here strong hacking is complementary and you still have 50 points to take from our excellent solo selection with some Mutts and 8-point bots for spice. 

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logo_402.png Hassassin Bahram
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png8  
logo_3.pngGOVAD HMG / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
logo_3.pngGOVAD Rifle + Light Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
logo_3.pngGOVAD Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
logo_25.pngLEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png3  
logo_5.pngBARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
logo_8.pngASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39)
logo_8.pngASAWIRA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43)

6 SWC | 251 Points

Open in Infinity Army

 

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12 minutes ago, Orthas said:

Who needs Muyibs in that kind of beautiful list? 

Just take 3 Fireteams, here strong hacking is complementary and you still have 50 points to take from our excellent solo selection with some Mutts and 8-point bots for spice. 

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logo_402.png Hassassin Bahram
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png8  
logo_3.pngGOVAD HMG / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
logo_3.pngGOVAD Rifle + Light Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
logo_3.pngGOVAD Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 23)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
logo_2.pngGHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
logo_25.pngLEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png3  
logo_5.pngBARID Hacker (Assault Hacking Device UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
logo_8.pngASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39)
logo_8.pngASAWIRA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43)

6 SWC | 251 Points

Open in Infinity Army

 

The only thing I'd change in that list is to make the Barid the Killer hacker instead of the Govad, as the Barid got the amazing Lightning program that gives him a good chance if he has to face another Killer hacker in ARO.

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1 hour ago, Natsymir said:

The only thing I'd change in that list is to make the Barid the Killer hacker instead of the Govad, as the Barid got the amazing Lightning program that gives him a good chance if he has to face another Killer hacker in ARO.

I think it's meant to be a Govad Haris thus why he opted for the KHD, but he hasn't taken the Haris profile and doesn't have the SWC left over for it.

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Govads are really good

MSV1 is no joke. Makes them the best at ranged combat of all three link types. Veteran L1 is very useful when it comes up too. I have loads of time for Govads.

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On 8/9/2017 at 2:38 AM, Spleen said:

I think it's meant to be a Govad Haris

You are correct, I goofed. Just drop one of the hackers (Govad if mission doesn't need much button-pushing, otherwise Barid). 

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