Mahtamori

Invincible Army speculation

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So, we know there's 5 new units coming for Invincible Army and we know that one of those is called Shooting Star. We also know that the overall design of the sectorial is set and play-tested and that it's mostly ready for release. Let's speculate and wishlist :) What'd you want to see for our beloved Invincibles?

Grunts. Let's start off with a pure wishlist item, my often harped-about Grunt-like unit. I see a few reasons why this unit can be a reality, not least of which that Yu Jing is the faction with fewest MI and even two new MI won't actually push us past anyone but the poorly fleshed-out Tohaa (who are barely larger than a sectorial), so the faction focus won't actually change. Yu Jing could also do with some somewhat specialised units that are not HI.
A Yu Jing Grunt would probably not have Shock Immunity and would likely end up slightly more expensive than a Zhanshi with the major difference being trading speed for ARM. From a gameplay perspective I'd like to see these with WIP 13 and Engineer and Doctor profiles as part of the basic list capable of forming a Fireteam: Core. Unlike most Yu Jing troops, I don't think Forward Observer is a great choice for this unit even if it is a staple of both Yu Jing and USAR Grunts, and unlike Grunts I don't think Infiltration in any shape or form is appropriate.

Shooting Star. Okay, this one is obvious. The vaunted Korean Drop Troops. AD: Combat Jump and while because I think at least PH 13 is appropriate it would probably be the major difference between them and Zuyong. I don't think they'd have the old style ARM 4 powered armour since if memory serves those armours are supposedly heavier. The interesting thing here is what they do with armament - Tigers we have been told some time ago are in IA and Tigers have a brawler armament with Mimetism, flamethrowers and due to also having BS 13, simply having a slightly more expensive HI with the same basic idea would be odd.
They could take this further and use Wu Ming as the general template with primarily the more awkward loadouts in mind; Chain Rifle + SMG or an AD Heavy Rocket, anyone?

Holoprojector 2 HI. Yes. Sepulchre Knights, I know. Holoprojector 2 has sailed up as a signature Yu Jing ability almost more than Sensor and I'd like the IA to get in on the action. While Sepulchre is a quality HI unit with a wide array of proficiencies, not least a very high BS, a Yu Jing version would again be with the mindset of "armour the masses" utilizing an adapted Zuyong armour and selecting soldiers from the more promising among the Zuyong ranks. I'll make no secret that I'd like to see some form of ambush weapon for this troop in the form of Heavy Rocket Launcher or Missile Launcher, but it would also make for an interesting design choice to eschew Suppression Fire weapons for this troop type completely.

Shang-Ji are one of those units that are so expensive that making anything larger than a Haris is nearly impossible to do anything decent with in normal or small games, but Zuyong are inexpensive enough that having a unit lead be Shang-Ji in a Zuyong link could work. I'm hoping that Shang-Ji get a Haris on one of the basic Combi profiles or on the Multi Rifle profile and that up to 2 Shang-Ji can join a Zuyong link.

What's missing? IA have plenty of firesupport in the form of Yan Huo and less expensive such in form of Zuyong as well as the potential Grunts/Zhanshi since these are likely to have access to both Missile Launchers and Multi Snipers. The army also have plenty of brawlers, but unlike the rest of Yu Jing no melee combatants. Additionally, IA will be missing skirmishers and warbands and while it's not unheard of that sectorials miss these, I don't look forward to playing a sectorial where the rather poorly functioning AD skill replaces infiltrators.
With that said, I hope we see a first Heavy Infantry with smoke grenades of some description, sort of like Yu Jing high command saw Dog Soldiers in action and said "Take this regiment and make them do that". It would also be interesting to see the quasi-armoured approach of Grunts be applied to a Skrimishing unit where, again if the basic IA soldier is a passive armour Zhanshi "Grunt" we'd have a passive armour Guilang replacement with more armour but no token state.

Gun-kata. I'll just leave this last item here. Not really on the "IA needs this" or "IA might get this" more than "would be cool". How about this proposition; a more premium HI with access to either Mimetism and Stealth (since ODD is not a Yu Jing thing) or some form of marker state, that focuses on pistols. 2x Heavy Pistol, 2x AP Heavy Pistol, 2x Breaker Heavy Pistol those kinds of things as weapon options and a fairly high CC ability. Probably needs slight further defensive skills in form of the Full-Auto that grants -3 to enemy (is that L2?), Hyper-Dynamics or similar Sixth Sense would also make perfect sense. You know, stick a Priest in powered armour and send him to hunt enemy officers.
Hell, this isn't even a "Yu Jing" item, it'd make a very good fit for Vedic as well I think.

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Dear CB,

 For book drop I would like:

 A pheonix  regiment. HI with a doctor, an engineer and a chain of command profile, multi rifle and DTW

 Zuyong spec ops,

 A credible sniper,

 A CC beefcake with NBW (up yours Galwegians) and MA 3 or better,

 Mid tier medium infantry,

 And a heavy drop troop that has a pulzar.

 Yours in hope,

 Preach xx

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My thoughts on the matter,

Shooting Star; drop troop Hi similar to domarus (hopefully with Flame CC weapons Burn! artichoke Burn!) or a Drop Zu Yong equipped with heavier loadouts than tigers. My guess for profiles would be light rocket launcher, vulkan shotgun, heavy flamethrower and maybee engineer.

The shang ji is gonna get redesigned as it currently doesnt fullfill any particular role that distinguishes it clearly from other hi options. My guess is that it will become the specialist HI. More hacker profiles, engineer, fo, maybee chain of command and of course the ability to form fireteams with zuyongs.

For skirmishers i believe we`ll get something similar to the nomads morans just without the repeater or crazy koalas. Definitely more armored and with some specialists profiles. Something like that would not compete with either guilang, ninjas or kanrens.

For warband i dont believe well a new one but if we do it will probably be a recon bike so as to not overlap with monks and kuang shi in vanilla.

Finally i believe we are gonna get another multispectral visor of some kind probably a MI with MVS1 and the usual weapon loadouts to avoid overlapping over Hsiens, Baos and guilangs.

I dont think we`ll get grunt equivalents, i remember something being said about zhanshis not being the invinvible army basic troop but i just dont see them creating a MI linkable troop out of nowhere. My bet is lower availability zhanshi like in neoterra and total availability zuyong as if they were bolts.

I also dont think well get Hi holos but this one is more possible since theres a perfect middle between sepulchers and the assasin ayarrs. For it to be unique it would have to be limited to the weapons proposed by the OP and maybee a Multi grenade launcher like the Al Fasid.

Gunkata as cool as it sounds would just overlap the shikami role and as such i dont think well see it in the IA but as the op said its a good concept for other armies..

 

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I have been doing a lot of thinking about the Invincible sectoral. Reading this has been interesting.

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I actually hope there is no WB in IA. Admittedly, I don't like the thought of having hard to control troops in black/deniable ops, but having them in a standing army makes less sense.

Having some sort of skirmisher/scout role is good. There was talk of Dafoei in IA, but has yet to be confirmed. I dunno how much camo is required, but infiltration/mech deployment/advanced deployment would be good. Maybe a mech deploy + mine layer to help cordon off avenues of attack to the main force? Similar to the Chasseur, but no camo.

I like @Greysturm's thought of specializing the Shang Ji.

In a way I'm hoping the IA baseline troop is closer to USAr's grunts. If your part of a standing army and expect to be shot at, you outta be wearing armour. Pule it goes with the 'HI-focused' feel of IA.

The only thing I'm thinking right now, is different Lieutenant options. Will Sun Tze make it in? Fluff-wise, it would fit, but would be hard points-wise. A relatively cheap Strategos L2 or 3 (similar to Saladin) would go over well. Dunno if it's in the cards.

I'm really looking forward to this sectorial dropping. Normally I play Ariadna, but I really like the idea of an HI-focused army, both from gameplay and painting standpoints.

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Daofei have been confirmed to not be in IA and Sun Tze has iconography that suggests IA native - not sure I'd call him cheap, though :) 

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I'm expecting a Zuyong box.  HI drop troops would be awesome and seem strongly implied by the Shooting Star name.

A scout of some kind would be nice.  I have no idea what to expect of the line infantry, just please let them be a reasonable cost.

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IA will have at least AVA 2 Guijia, probably/hopefully reduced SWC on LT profile (and for non-YJ readers, that means the same SWC as non-LT profile). To be able to even remotely field 2 of these you need support infantry at around 10 points and upwards. Whatever they device as the support infantry it'd better be Zhanshi cost or there's a lot of fancy toys in IA that will go less-used (and might at worst result in vanilla still being the go-to sectorial for Hac Tao and Guijia)

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On 8/13/2017 at 0:49 AM, Mahtamori said:

Daofei have been confirmed to not be in IA

Well...that's awkward. Since their description says they also belong into IA...

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On 13/08/2017 at 8:49 AM, Mahtamori said:

Daofei have been confirmed to not be in IA and Sun Tze has iconography that suggests IA native - not sure I'd call him cheap, though :) 

Source on this?

DaoFei have been confirmed to be in White Banner, but afaik not confirmed out of IA.

Also, while I'm asking for sources, where did the shooting star come from?

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16 minutes ago, Dragonstriker said:

Source on this?

DaoFei have been confirmed to be in White Banner, but afaik not confirmed out of IA.

Also, while I'm asking for sources, where did the shooting star come from?

Janzerker is source for both it seems.

 

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On 13/8/2017 at 0:49 AM, Mahtamori said:

Daofei have been confirmed to not be in IA and Sun Tze has iconography that suggests IA native - not sure I'd call him cheap, though :) 

Dao Fei will be in white banner, I'm not suprised to see it excluded from IA, but it's a shame, would be nice, I hope to have at least the Hac Tao :)

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Daofei should really be part of the Invincible Army, I don't understand why they aren't ("because Bostria said so" is not a valid argument).  Daofei have been part of the Invincible Army since N1.

 

You *can* currently do a Zuyong Core and a Shang Ji Haris at 300 points, but you don't have points for an engineer.  You can even take the Z Cor, SJ Haris, and a YanHuo Duo at 400, if you don't stick the Spitfire into the SJ Haris:

logo_201.png Yu Jing
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orden_regular.png10  
logo_4.pngZÚYǑNG Lieutenant (AutomediKit) HMG / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (1 | 39)
logo_4.pngZÚYǑNG Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (2 | 36)
logo_4.pngZÚYǑNG MULTI Rifle / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 31)
logo_4.pngZÚYǑNG Boarding Shotgun / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0 | 26)
logo_4.pngZÚYǑNG Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / 2 Breaker Pistols, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
logo_27.pngSHÀNG JÍ Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 43)
logo_27.pngSHÀNG JÍ Paramedic (Medikit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39)
logo_27.pngSHÀNG JÍ MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 40)
logo_5.pngYĀN HUǑ 2 Missile Launchers + TinBot C (Neurocinetics) / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 56)
logo_5.pngYĀN HUǑ Hyper-Rapid Magnetic Cannon / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 54)

8 SWC | 394 Points

Open in Infinity Army

More guns than an NRA convention!

However, there's no engineer in the list, so EM and Glueguns will ruin your day.

 

What I really think Yu Jing needs is a real combat engineer or sapper.  Someone in ARM3 HI with Engineer and D-charges.  An actual Doctor in power armor would also be nice, but I can live with Paramedics. 

I'm expecting Zanshi to be AVA4ish, with Zuyong AVA Total and Fireteam Core.  In order for that to work, I think Zuyong need to come down in points a bit.  Probably 1-2 points on every profile.

I want a Zuyong SpecOps option, but that needs to come with Sectorial-specific weapons and skills lists.  Pretty sure nobody wants to face an ARM3 2W NWI model.

 

I think every faction should get an EOD unit, someone in ARM3 or 4 with Total Immunity (to ignore EXP and Fire) and Bio Immunity (to ignore Shock and Viral).  Probably a 4-2 MI because of how bulky and slow Bomb Suits are.  But that's a different discussion.

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2 hours ago, Mahtamori said:

Janzerker is source for both it seems.

 

Ah, yeah, now I recall that post from @Janzerker, but I don't see a source from him - it doesn't appear in the seminar reports I've read. @Janzerker, wanna help a guy out here?

 

The other one was new to me, thanks!

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49 minutes ago, Section 9 said:
  1. What I really think Yu Jing needs is a real combat engineer or sapper.  Someone in ARM3 HI with Engineer and D-charges.  An actual Doctor in power armor would also be nice, but I can live with Paramedics. 
  2. I'm expecting Zanshi to be AVA4ish, with Zuyong AVA Total and Fireteam Core.  In order for that to work, I think Zuyong need to come down in points a bit.  Probably 1-2 points on every profile.
  3. I want a Zuyong SpecOps option, but that needs to come with Sectorial-specific weapons and skills lists.  Pretty sure nobody wants to face an ARM3 2W NWI model.
  4. I think every faction should get an EOD unit, someone in ARM3 or 4 with Total Immunity (to ignore EXP and Fire) and Bio Immunity (to ignore Shock and Viral).  Probably a 4-2 MI because of how bulky and slow Bomb Suits are.  But that's a different discussion.
  1. This would be so nice, but I think this is about as likely as Pan-O getting another source of Eclipse (meaning "not bloody likely, but at least possible unlike Pan-O and smoke")
  2. If IA do get Zhanshi I hope it's more than AVA 4, however, that will also mean that Zhanshi Gongcheng and Zhanshi Yisheng will be the designated Doctor/Engineer and this could be interesting for the simple reason that it might mean those two are linkable with Zhanshi (since they are Zhanshi) unless CB specifically designs it away.
  3. While yes, it would be nice, Zuyong spec ops is very, very, powerful regardless that you pay 3x as many points compared to all other factions, simply for the fact that the skills you can choose from XP are force multiplication points. BS 13 Doctor with Mimetism and a Multi-sniper? While this is not quite as high on the "upsetting faction limitations design" as having Chain of Command available to all or allowing the standardized WIP 15 Doctor, Engineer, Hacker to everyone, it's still pretty damned bonkers. I think a would-be Chinese Grunt is, i.e. Medium Infantry more similar to Thorakitai Spec Ops (though that bastard will still have better/exotic basic gear).
  4. There's been a lot of debate surrounding the EVO Hacker and the calculated assumption that these REMs seem to be missing a Combi-Rifle. Let me flip what you're suggesting around a bit and ask; what would you say about if the EVO drone series got Total and Bio Immunity instead of a gun? While it wouldn't help the EVO in its role much, it would certainly be useful to the 8-pointer and the oft-forgotten TR version - plus it'd make them truer EOD! (Because why send in a human when you can send in a robot operated by a human? Let's just ignore the fact that these buggers can't move through doors)
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3 hours ago, Section 9 said:

 

What I really think Yu Jing needs is a real combat engineer or sapper.  Someone in ARM3 HI with Engineer and D-charges.  An actual Doctor in power armor would also be nice, but I can live with Paramedics. 

 

I agree with you 100% here. 

Yu Jing can already field practically a full HI force if the player chooses to and a real test of IA as both a good sectoral and positive addition to the vanilla faction will be the balance that is struck for list building. With this in mind I am more okay with the Daofei being excluded as it helps retain something for the main faction. Fire teams and adjusted availability are great and very powerful but it's best if they don't invalidate other parts of the faction. In this regard the Invincible army has a very fine line to tread considering ISS and JSA as well as the vanilla faction. Both other sectoral lists can field full HI links with potent board presence and utility. By itself this kind of crowds out a lot of space that the IA can occupy. 

 

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I'm mainly hoping for a  Zuyong Gongcheng/Yisheng. Unlinkable 'standard' Dr / Engineer AVA1 in Vanilla AVA2 in IA. Literally just take the Zuyong +4pts. 

Not because they'd be particularly cool or shiny, but because they'd be boring an workmanlike. Nothing says 'professional HI army' than boring and workmanlike troops.

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On 8/12/2017 at 5:49 PM, Mahtamori said:

Daofei have been confirmed to not be in IA and Sun Tze has iconography that suggests IA native - not sure I'd call him cheap, though :) 

I agree - was thinking of another character as Sun is already in ISS... one can wish.

21 hours ago, Mahtamori said:

IA will have at least AVA 2 Guijia, probably/hopefully reduced SWC on LT profile (and for non-YJ readers, that means the same SWC as non-LT profile). To be able to even remotely field 2 of these you need support infantry at around 10 points and upwards. Whatever they device as the support infantry it'd better be Zhanshi cost or there's a lot of fancy toys in IA that will go less-used (and might at worst result in vanilla still being the go-to sectorial for Hac Tao and Guijia)

Last I heard (admittedly a while ago), was that the Guijia wasn't making into IA.

 

Regarding Engineer & Doctor profiles, I would think CB would want to be careful about affecting vanilla too much with IA-themed choices. HI Eng or Doc? Makes sense in IA. Vanilla....maybe? Rather than add it to an existing profile, they may just make a new troop, put the support options in it, may it AVA 2-3 in IA, and 1 otherwise.

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Expectations:

AVA 3 Zhanshi

Yan Huo not to be linkable

Shang Ji mixing in within links.

First Korean unit outside of the Son-Bae

A nimbus grenade option

A unit with a new rule that partly counters link teams by being killy, like Full Auto or Fatality but being neither.

A couple of Fireteam Haris options

A new Character HI Lt option (to mirror the rumored ORC one, and be similar to what Neko is to Domaru). Shang Ji.

Hopes/Wishlisting: 

that the inevitable Zuyong Box just happens to be all female (to balance out the two males in blisters and switch things up for a change).

A smoke Grenade Launcher (to also help pair with the Rui Shi).

Both the Daofei and Hac Tao being in the sectorial

An In-Sectorial-only Mechanical Deployment option for Guijia (for a hefty price upgrade of course). I just like the idea of them being brought in through a drop ship like we kind of saw in Outrage.

The first Multi-Sniper equipped true HI

The first AD true HI (hopefully the Shooting Star, but I can see it being a fun unit but rather expensive), although I'm not holding out on Combat Jump as it'd be too close to the Tiger Soldier. I'd expect one of the levels lower, or perhaps AD:X to replace the lost Ko Dali.

The Ninja somehow sneaks his/her way in to be AVA 1 in this sectorial too. 

A unit (perhaps Holo L2) with Surprise Shot Level 2.

Number 2 option for link teams

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On 8/14/2017 at 4:25 AM, Mahtamori said:

1.  This would be so nice, but I think this is about as likely as Pan-O getting another source of Eclipse (meaning "not bloody likely, but at least possible unlike Pan-O and smoke")

Yeah, I don't think it's likely, either.  Doesn't hurt to ask for it, though.

 

On 8/14/2017 at 4:25 AM, Mahtamori said:

2.  If IA do get Zhanshi I hope it's more than AVA 4, however, that will also mean that Zhanshi Gongcheng and Zhanshi Yisheng will be the designated Doctor/Engineer and this could be interesting for the simple reason that it might mean those two are linkable with Zhanshi (since they are Zhanshi) unless CB specifically designs it away.

I will note that there aren't many units that are linkable outside of their own unit, and Gongcheng/Yisheng are separate units from the basic Zanshi.  It'd be like Yan Huo linking with Zuyong because they're both Invincibles.

 

 

On 8/14/2017 at 4:25 AM, Mahtamori said:

3.  While yes, it would be nice, Zuyong spec ops is very, very, powerful regardless that you pay 3x as many points compared to all other factions, simply for the fact that the skills you can choose from XP are force multiplication points. BS 13 Doctor with Mimetism and a Multi-sniper? While this is not quite as high on the "upsetting faction limitations design" as having Chain of Command available to all or allowing the standardized WIP 15 Doctor, Engineer, Hacker to everyone, it's still pretty damned bonkers. I think a would-be Chinese Grunt is, i.e. Medium Infantry more similar to Thorakitai Spec Ops (though that bastard will still have better/exotic basic gear).

The basic Zuyong combirifle is only 27 points, and that's all of 3 points more than a Muyib specops.  It's not as far-fetched as you'd think.

 

On 8/14/2017 at 4:25 AM, Mahtamori said:

4.  There's been a lot of debate surrounding the EVO Hacker and the calculated assumption that these REMs seem to be missing a Combi-Rifle. Let me flip what you're suggesting around a bit and ask; what would you say about if the EVO drone series got Total and Bio Immunity instead of a gun? While it wouldn't help the EVO in its role much, it would certainly be useful to the 8-pointer and the oft-forgotten TR version - plus it'd make them truer EOD! (Because why send in a human when you can send in a robot operated by a human? Let's just ignore the fact that these buggers can't move through doors)

That I dunno about.  I mean, when you have G:Servants and Cubes, the need for EOD armor is obviously less than it is today.  At least assuming that the G:Servant telepresence rig is good enough to feel like the operator is using his own hands.

 

On 8/14/2017 at 8:23 AM, inane.imp said:

I'm mainly hoping for a  Zuyong Gongcheng/Yisheng. Unlinkable 'standard' Dr / Engineer AVA1 in Vanilla AVA2 in IA. Literally just take the Zuyong +4pts. 

Not because they'd be particularly cool or shiny, but because they'd be boring an workmanlike. Nothing says 'professional HI army' than boring and workmanlike troops.

This!

 

On 8/14/2017 at 9:59 AM, Stormygeddon said:

The first Multi-Sniper equipped true HI

Honestly, I'm not seeing the point for a 2W HI armed with a sniper rifle.  The role they'd be filling is Designated Marksman, not sneaky bastard sniper.  I'd rather see a Mk12, Marksman Rifle, or maybe a Contender (and preferably the Mk12).  Don't get me wrong, the multisniper is a nasty weapon, but it's not as required on heavy infantry (who have the armor to kick in doors and tank a shot on the way to wreck face).

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Whatever the sectorial's engineer and doctor is, I hope they are linkable. Non-linkable and slow doctor/engineer is the hallmark of a faction with shite support units (not WIP 12 that Pan-O obsess about). HI could alleviate some of the issues, but for a Doctor or Engineer the biggest problem is that getting someone up is always going to be order-inefficient (and you risk worse than just having to spend more orders if the check fails).

21 minutes ago, Section 9 said:

I will note that there aren't many units that are linkable outside of their own unit, and Gongcheng/Yisheng are separate units from the basic Zanshi.  It'd be like Yan Huo linking with Zuyong because they're both Invincibles.

I disagree that Yan Huo/Zuyong link is equivalent of Zhanshi/Zhanshi Gongcheng link, not only are Yan Huo and Zuyong vastly different (and a comparison more akin to Zhanshi+Guilang link because "troop of the banner"), it even makes more sense than Haramaki+Domoru, Crane+Celestial Guard and much more on level of Dire Foes characters - especially Bipandra. It seems more like the division is to make sure Yu Jing can't have AVA T Doctors, so I'm still holding out hope for Yu Jing getting doctors that will finally be within one order's distance of where they need to be (in order to fail a check and kill a vastly more expensive unit than they are in as few orders as possible). I do, however, hope that this link will happen in White Banner and not IA. Because that link makes sense in White Banner while it doesn't, really, in IA.

21 minutes ago, Section 9 said:

The basic Zuyong combirifle is only 27 points, and that's all of 3 points more than a Muyib specops.  It's not as far-fetched as you'd think.

I wasn't aware Muyibs were so expensive, but we're still talking about a Spec-Ops that has 18 XP worth of Stats compared to the Muyib for those 3 points.

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46 minutes ago, Mahtamori said:

I wasn't aware Muyibs were so expensive, but we're still talking about a Spec-Ops that has 18 XP worth of Stats compared to the Muyib for those 3 points.

This is also assuming that ORCs, Brigada, and maybe Suryat (any HI with the Line Troop classification) get a SpecOps option.  I can't see YJ being the only power to have a HI SpecOps.

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21 minutes ago, Section 9 said:

This is also assuming that ORCs, Brigada, and maybe Suryat (any HI with the Line Troop classification) get a SpecOps option.  I can't see YJ being the only power to have a HI SpecOps.

I can, but that's only on the premise that anyone get HI spec ops. Though, while Orcs and Brigada aren't Line Troops, I especially wouldn't want "any HI with Line Troop classification". I mean, increase BS and WIP to 14, up BTS to 6 to protect from hackers, add Engineer and Mimetism and you've got a 12 XP, 2 wound Multi HMG of DOOM for 53/2 - who is also a Line Trooper. Shang-Ji also looks like a ridiculous template to use, but they've got sane weapons.

(Possibly we'll see Kamau (nasty!) spec ops for Varuna and Securitate (Muyib quality right there) would be the natural one for Tunguska)

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If Shooting Stars turn out to be decent AD HI -and- we get Tigers, we are probably about to show those Corregidor ninnies what a real AD force looks like. AVA 2 drop HI plus AVA 3 Tigers... If you could build a backbone of remotes and specialists (especially TR HMGs), toss in an EVO, and drop 4 hardcore killers into enemy lines you have a serious recipe for ouch. Even with the empty ordergroup slots, the remotes can keep the opponent busy if you go second, especially with Overclock. Meanwhile the AD guys drop in on Turn 2. 4 AD guys actually becomes mildly order-efficient again as you can Coordinate moves after they drop.

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On 8/14/2017 at 8:59 AM, Stormygeddon said:

The first Multi-Sniper equipped true HI

 

I think I would prefer a Multi Marksman Rifle, IA is probably gonna be tight on swc much like ISS, an swc less mid range offensive option would be good.

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