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New Druze Shock Teams?

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Oh, they have confusing names. 

Beyham Construction Sti is the parent company of the Kaplan Tactical Services, as per CP fluff.

Bayran Security is the Druze Sectorial from the Outrage Mission Pack fluff.

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23 minutes ago, Errhile said:

So do I.

However, dropping Druze out of QK is not freeing up resources. Quite contrary, actually:

  • if they do, then QK loses one of their MI choices. One that likely should be replaced with a new unit. No gain here. Also, this frustrates anyone who have already bought Druze models for their QK and would be no longer allowed to field them. Any QK player who haven't bought Druze yet - won't do it, for exactly the same reason.
  • if they don't, you have an unit that is present in more than one army (QK and Bayram Security, and possibly Tunguzka, and maybe somewhere else, not to mention vanilla Haqq, though they are of limited appeal there). Any player of these factions is a potential customer to CB for a box of Druze Shock Troops. There's also one more effect that having same unit in more than one army has: it is easy to branch out. Assuming the Bayram Securities become a legal Sectroial, and keep Druze & Bashi Bazouks, there's a good chance a number of QK players will find they already have a good part of that secotrial in their collection. So, why not buy the rest of it and have one more army...? ;) Just the way I branched over to Corregidor from my QK...

I'm not sure we are on the same page.

I dont think dropping druze from qk makes more sense than keeping one set of profiles and models for them in both qk and mercfaction.

I do think it makes more sense to drop them from qk than having two very different sets of boxes and profiles available depending on which army you are fielding.

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I don't think we are going to see two boxes of Druze simultaneously. I believe the current one will be soon phased out and replaced by the one we've seen renders of.

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On 25/08/2017 at 0:41 AM, Errhile said:

I don't think we are going to see two boxes of Druze simultaneously. I believe the current one will be soon phased out and replaced by the one we've seen renders of.

I also wouldn't be shocked if this scenario is a 'last hurrah' for some profiles like the Spitfire, and when the box releases it'll just be replaced by a HMG officially.

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I hope they keep the Haris option, it's what mainly appeals to me. For my Core link, I'd like something that's more surviveable/defensive (Djanbazan, Kaplan, Janissaires) and/or can be mixed with Hafzas, to save points. But I see great potential in a Druze haris link (and I love their look). Except for the Haris model, I'd run the Light Grenade Launcher (because of E/M awesome), and either the HMG/Spitfire or the killer hacker (or possibly a Paramedic). But we'll see what options are available once they become updated in ITS.

Without a Haris option, to be honest, I can't see myself running these guys. There's just so many Core link options already in Qapu Khalki, and as someone else said, the Druze's appeal in vanilla is very limited.

 

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Do you think they will wait until the new box set releases in December to update Army with new Druze profiles? After seeing the Bit release today, I am getting antsy.

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2 minutes ago, AdeptSister said:

Do you think they will wait until the new box set releases in December to update Army with new Druze profiles? After seeing the Bit release today, I am getting antsy.

We generally see new rules with new models outside of books, there's no guarantee the final profiles will match the Outrage ones either. 

Bit & Kiss are a bit of an exception to the models & rules together pattern due to their involvement in ITS (their model looks like it'll be awesome though).

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2 hours ago, Col said:

We generally see new rules with new models outside of books, there's no guarantee the final profiles will match the Outrage ones either. 

Bit & Kiss are a bit of an exception to the models & rules together pattern due to their involvement in ITS (their model looks like it'll be awesome though).

:is keeping fingers crossed for a Fatality L1 HMG profile:

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1 hour ago, theGricks said:

:is keeping fingers crossed for a Fatality L1 HMG profile:

I'm personally hoping for the Outrage KHD profile. The current on compares poorly to Leila for a point more. The Outrage profile adds some uniqueness with a pitcher and Fatality 1.

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Yeah, I'm also very intrigued what we will get and what will happen to the old Druzes. I've put together my minis but I'm waiting with painting - maybe I'll convert some to match new profiles, so it's better to have a little patience.

And about Druzes, Outrage profiles et cetera... I'd be very glad if we get Jethro in Haqq ;) With MSV L2 he's very interesting, a better and more deadly Djan. I'd definitely give him a chance - now I'm using Knauf in most games but would happily put some more points to get better MSV, V:NWI, BTS and - what;s important - Cube.
With nice mini, he'd be a great supplement for some Druzes in vanilla Haqq and maybe in QK.

It's good to have some dreams ;):D

 

PozdRawiam / Greetings

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Okay, so the new Druze are inbound:

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  • HMG
  • Marksman Rifle (Outrage profiles had it as a Shock Marksman Rifle, which may or may be not a thing now).
  • Hacker (undetermined type), doesn't seem to have a Pitcher.
  • "Universal Proxy" w/ Chain Colt

Save for Hacker, it seems we'll be getting entirely new loadouts here. Still, HMG and Marksman Rifle are likely to emphasize Druze's niche as long-ranged combatants. 

Definitely, the old Boarding Shotgun profile is gone. I'd expect a blister with LGL Druze in a couple of months, it was always their thing (tohugh exact ammo varies).

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Aw man... did they really kill off the Pitcher :(

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10 hours ago, Barakiel said:

HMG and Marksman Rifle are two good ways to take an indifferent unit and make it instantly useful.  Now these guys are bringing something unique over Kaplan, Sekban, etc.

Well, yes, but they instantly clash for spaces with Djanbazan. Who are a bit more expensive, but also more robust.

 

1 hour ago, Ursun said:

Aw man... did they really kill off the Pitcher :(

We're yet to see. The fact it isn't represented on the gun doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all...

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7 hours ago, Errhile said:

Well, yes, but they instantly clash for spaces with Djanbazan. Who are a bit more expensive, but also more robust.

 

We're yet to see. The fact it isn't represented on the gun doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all...

I dont think they do clash, djan are msv 2 killers, and that's what you are bringing them for. These guys are a more robust ghulam link.

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I disagree. There are too many differences between the Druze and Ghilim (in both equipment and, I assume, cost) to treat the Druze as "more robust Ghilim". They are MI, and there are more similarities between them and other QK MI (Sekban and Djanbazan) than them and Ghilim...

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28 minutes ago, Errhile said:

I disagree. There are too many differences between the Druze and Ghilim (in both equipment and, I assume, cost) to treat the Druze as "more robust Ghilim". They are MI, and there are more similarities between them and other QK MI (Sekban and Djanbazan) than them and Ghilim...

I think its a playstyle difference. For me djans are for camo, sekban are aggressive midfield, and ghulam are a firebase. With hmg and marksmen i would use these as a firebase, thus to me they are upgraded ghulam. Still won't know for sure till the updated profiles, im just hoping i can use them in triumvirate as well. 

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The problem druze still face is the competition. If they come in cheaper than djan, around the price of Kaplan with something else that differentiates them from Kaplan (sorry, I don't think an hmg does it), they'll be good. But if they bloat up to djan prices they will have a tough time being picked over the cheaper Kaplan or the deadlier djan 

I like the new sculpts though! They look like they might mix in well with the existing lads and so I'll still pick em up and use them

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Surely I'll buy them, they're also excellent to represent my Asawira for Hassassin, but I can't wait to see their update profiles, if CB confirm the new ones seen in Outrage, they'll be really amazing.

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The models look a lot better than I was expecting from the renders. 

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11 hours ago, chaos11 said:

The models look a lot better than I was expecting from the renders. 

Yeah, I agree. The painted Druzes look really nice. I especially like the Marksman and the Chain Colt.

Still I think the old ones are better ;)

And the most interesting thing is what will happen to their stats. I hope for Shock Marksman Rifle and some buffs, but not sure if the Bayram guys are exactly what I'd like...

 

PozdRawiam / Greetings

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Honestly, just allow Duo on the Soldier of Fortune profile. They'll get use that way (MI Gun + MI Specialist Duo is an ideal pairing).

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Someone stop me, now I wanna buy the new Druzes and also the old ones XD

They are still beautiful models :

druzeShockTeam1.jpg

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