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As a third turn shooter they can be incredibly useful though.

I killed a Tikbalang with one once, three orders, nailed it from surprise while it was in the open. And the LT order is really useful on a BS 13 MSV2 guy with Camo!

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My usual choice was a Moira and for some odd reason she seemed to do really well. Her presence was not really seen as an obvious choice and I usually deployed her to be covering my back lines against AD troops, so noone thought anything of it so I usually avoided going into lol.

Sadly with the inclusion of newer and stronger, but far more expensive units (cough S5 HI cough cough) my points have been limited and every model has to pull its weight, so she has largely been consigned to the box at the moment. That and the weird 1swc cost for her being a lieutenant which I still do not understand. It is a pity too as it was a good use for my Moiras as well, and one of the few uses they still had, although moving back to the Interventor does appear to have had a negative effect on my dice rolls.

As to the others, well Kusanagi is a go-too if I am running my Bakunin Riot Grrrls + Sineater hmg/dual hackers list as the +1swc is really useful but I tend to avoid using her elsewhere as she is just too expensive for what she does (40+ points for a MI?! Haqq get 2 wounds AND v:nwi AND specop AND fatality L2 for less than that!) so if I dont mind risking losing orders I tend towards the Moderator as a cheap and innocuous leader. The MB is also a good choice, but I tend to avoid HI lieutenants as I tend to want to use them aggressively and both my MB and my Kriza have managed to die to lucky shots whilst serving as lieutenants before now. Moderatos and Alguaciles are a no go as the swc cost is intolerable, although I might use an Alguacile if I know I will have a spare point left over. Moderators are too pricey though.

If any of these fall then my usual backup is whichever model I feel needs the extra order most, usually one that is in a key position to act - although I do tend to favour the ones that seem 'right' for the theme of the force.

Anyway, I do need to try out these Intruder and Custodier lieutenants as they seem to be quite useful.

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I'm going back to my tried and true Intruder Lt for a store tournament featuring Hunting Party this weekend.  I'll share updates on how it goes.  

 

I'm expecting camo marker Lt plus Jag Link and Wildcat haris will make scoring a nightmare for my opponent. We'll see how it plays. 

 

We're also hitting Supremacy and I'll probably use the same list; plan is to use Intruder Lt aggressively in Turn 3 depending how the board looks.  At any rate it should be a good change of pace from standard Interventor Lt in vanilla. 

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More than anything else, a intruder LT is a denial piece. Sometimes he can do work but,

He denies LT. kills really well, when hidden or guarded. If your mission scores on killing LTs, he's a pretty standard go to for those types of missions.

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On a side note a Moderator Lieut in its own sectorial can be a really sneaky way for getting in under your opponents radar. this is the list I ran last time, the Moderator is placed to look as though it was a filler just tossed in because I couldnt afford anything better after buying all the fancy stuff:

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logo_7.pngRIOT GRRL (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
logo_7.pngRIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 33)
logo_7.pngRIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
logo_7.pngRIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
logo_7.pngRIOT GRRL MULTI Rifle, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
logo_9.pngZERO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
logo_9.pngZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
logo_28.pngTASKMASTER Red Fury, Pulzar, CrazyKoalas + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 53)
logo_4.pngREVEREND HEALER Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 32)
logo_21.pngZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_1.pngMODERATOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)

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On 11/20/2017 at 9:46 PM, BloodRose said:

On a side note a Moderator Lieut in its own sectorial can be a really sneaky way for getting in under your opponents radar. this is the list I ran last time, the Moderator is placed to look as though it was a filler just tossed in because I couldnt afford anything better after buying all the fancy stuff:

Not to disparage your plan, but I don't think there's anything sneaky about this at all.  It's either the Moderator or the Taskmaster, and depending on how you play the TM it can be pretty obvious which one is your Lt.  If you get aggressive with the TM and don't spend the Lt. order, it's almost assuredly going to be the Moderator.

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Just making them unsure of the Lt. for the alpha strike can often be worth it.

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Oh I agree, it is pretty obvious, but it prevents T1 Lieut assassinations and by T2 the Grrls and the SWAST are up-board and doing things which usually has my opponent more worried about dealing with them than guessing who mu lieut is. In addition if the camo markers are still hidden then there could be a Prowler lieut out there.....

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There is no Prowler or Zero Lt. It's always a Moderator, Moira w/ MR and Shock CCW, Custodier with Pitcher, Kusanagi or a TM RF.

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8 hours ago, inane.imp said:

There is no Prowler or Zero Lt. It's always a Moderator, Moira w/ MR and Shock CCW, Custodier with Pitcher, Kusanagi or a TM RF.

yep, our Lt options are getting old. I miss the Zero Lt option we used to have even though I never used it. At least we now have TM RF, but I haven't assembled mine yet.

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On 10/23/2017 at 0:50 PM, NateTehAggresar said:

Intruder for all the reasons @Loricus lists. Camo state makes him hard to kill, especially if your deployment zone is protected. Your opponent can easily mistake him for an intruder msr/hmg, which allows him to keep lanes clear by threatening them.

I also like Kriza and Swast lts. They're reasonably hardy, and can make good use of the Lt order, and don't pay a swc tax.

After that the pickings get slim, kusanagi can be okay, the nwi can really be a bummer sometimes compared to a true 2nd wound. Custoldiers can be okay, but are more hacking vulnerable than the interventor, i rarely even consider them post hsn3/khd.

The rest are imo meh, though sometimes work in their own sectorials, I.E. brigada lts in a link in corrigidor, 0 swc moderators in bakunin.

I want to get more Kriza Borac just so I can run an all-Kriza list when Tunguska drops.

 

It would be hysterically ineffective in all likelihood, but goddamn would it look good and be a great shell game.

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14 hours ago, inane.imp said:

There is no Prowler or Zero Lt. It's always a Moderator, Moira w/ MR and Shock CCW, Custodier with Pitcher, Kusanagi or a TM RF.

Gah, I must have been mistaken then. Its a pity, Bakunin could do with a few more non-swc lieut options.

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14 hours ago, inane.imp said: There is no Prowler or Zero Lt. It's always a Moderator, Moira w/ MR and Shock CCW, Custodier with Pitcher, Kusanagi or a TM RF.

Gah, I must have been mistaken then. Its a pity, Bakunin could do with a few more non-swc lieut options.

We have 2. And 3 'no additional SWC'.

Honestly the only one that I find meh is the Moira Lt. It's a 30pt elite trooper that I still need to pay SWC to make a Lt.

All that being said though, it's relatively easy to have 2-4 Lt options in a list between Custodiers, TMs and Moderators.

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Obviously the best Lt. is Hellcat.

At least you guys get Moderators.

But Nomads never have* a ton of options. Tunguska will be decent with Interventor and Kriza but still.

 

Edit: should be "has", how can I judge other people if even I treat Nomads as plural!

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Obviously the best Lt. is Hellcat.

At least you guys get Moderators.

But Nomads never have a ton of options. Tunguska will be decent with Interventor and Kriza but still.

Securitate, Grenzer, Interventor, Kriza is solid. I’m still wounding if there will be a TJC only version of Sterenko with CoC (but costing at least 1SWC).

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Yeah, one thing I have noticed is that we seem to have a lot of SWC costing Lieuts in our faction, the Moiras being one of the biggest offenders.

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