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How Aggressively Do You Play? Favorite Triad?

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As the title asks: how aggressively do you play? Not in terms of demeanor and attitude, but in willingness to attack and take risks.

Also, what are some of your favorite Triads and why?

I see a lot of potential in a Sakiel w/ Nimbus+ and 2x Makaul Triad. They can move safely with Eclipse grenades and then Nimbus+ is just mean to link-teams and Total Reaction Remotes. -6 (-9 in cover) to hit and -1 burst, or -6 (-9 for remotes) to dodge,  and then you just lay the heavy flamethrower on them. It's disgusting. The second Makaul is just redundancy. Alternatively, you Eclipse their Rambo piece and CC it...

I also really like the idea of pairing Kamael Paramedics with Symbionts. Okay-ish odds of reviving them, usually, plus it's a cheap specialist. 

What are your play experiences with Perceptors? They seem to be really good in combination with Gao-Raels, but the lack of CC skill on the beasts is disappointing. 

 

I'm going to be picking up the Tohaa 300pt box down the line and I was curious how you all play. 

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It depends. I usually play a bit more reactively with Tohaa letting my enemies try to burn through my defensive triads while I let Gsync or single units (Rasail, Igao, Clipsos) do objective work. For quadrant missions I will move triads up but am not afraid to hold them back for t2/t3 pushes.

Favourite Triad are so many. Defensive triad has to be Gao Rael Sniper/Sukeul ML, Kaeltar (CoC)+ other (usually makaul). Offensive triad Sukeul HMG, Makaul, Kaeltar (CoC) or Sakiel FO/Para. Makauls give so much flexibility to a triad and you can quickly switch roles from objective grabbing, offense to smoking and holding ground. The Sukeul HMG triad gives you access to all the range bands. The Sukeul itself is our hard counter to 5 man HI pain trains with the exception of Riot Grrls in which need other tools.

If you can hit 2 targets with a makaul HFT in triad while in nimbus you can split burst and shoot twice. -6 to dodge HFT is just mean good.

I don’t personally use Kamael paramedics because Sakiel Paramedics exist for 6 points more. It is a preference things but aside from Kaeltar, Makauls and Kaauri/Chaksa HFT 1 wound models don’t really get a rotation in my lists but that’s probably more to do with my defensive

Preceptors are fantastic sweeper units and CC units. You could Alpha strike with them but you gotta make sure you have the orders to do the damage. Gsync CC units don’t have martial arts because their strength lies in forcing normal rolls. You move into B2B, Opponent elects a target, You attack with the other beast or Preceptor. Remember a preceptor has electric pulse which is deadly to MA units/TAGS. I CC rushed Achielles with 1 beast and controller. Opponent either takes normal viral hits on PH15+ or becomes Imm2 😊

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it does depend on mission list etc. but speaking in broad strokes i would say i play my Tohaa more aggressively than i play my Ariadna (FRRM,USARF, starting CHA, they'll probably beat Tohaa on the aggression front) the durability provided by Symbiont armor is extremely handy in this regard, as does having an actual doctor with interns. And the Rasail teams practically scream for you to run them at things. 

 

Favorite triad, offensively Ectros HMG, Sukeal FO (LT optional) Makaul HFT, food a long and medium ranges, and able to just throw smoke that ignores MSV2-3 if you don't feel like dealing with a thing. defensively Gao-Rael sniper, Kaeltar CoC (for those sweet sweet symbiomates) and another Makaul (because smoke) 

 

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I've been playing very aggressively with a double Sakiel/Makaul Triad. Works very well! either a Viral Rifle/LRL combo or a Spitfire/LRL combo depending what I want it to do. If I'm playing a more specialist orientated mission I'll slot in a Paramedic instead.

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logo_801.png Tohaa
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orden_regular.png6  orden_impetuosa.png1
logo_17.pngRASAIL Lieutenant Spitfire + 1 Chaksa Peripheral / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39)
 sep.giflogo_17.pngCHAKSA PERIPHERAL Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (- | 4)
logo_24.pngSUKEUL HMG, D-Charges / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
logo_5.pngECTROS Viral Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 43)
logo_8.pngMAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
logo_20.pngKAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
logo_10.pngCHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)

4 SWC | 161 Points

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This kind of thing is the typical core of my aggressors in a Tohaa list.  The Rasail can be sent on a suicide run, and the Symbiomates can't not be included.  Usually they pad out a Gao-Rael triad, of course.  Finally, a Sensor Chaksa is a must for Camouflage on the table, as most armies I face bring at least 1 Camo infiltrator.

Other aggressive triads look like this kind of thing:

logo_801.png Tohaa
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orden_regular.png3  
logo_12.pngNEEMA Lieutenant (Advanced Command) Breaker Combi Rifle, Panzerfaust, Nanopulser / Viral Pistol, Shock CCW. (+1 | 46)
logo_5.pngECTROS HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (2 | 45)
logo_5.pngECTROS HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (2 | 45)

4 SWC | 136 Points

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logo_801.png Tohaa
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orden_regular.png3  
logo_5.pngECTROS HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (2 | 45)
logo_5.pngECTROS Vulkan Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 38)
logo_24.pngSUKEUL (Forward Observer) K1 Combi Rifle, Nullifier / Pistol, Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 33)

2 SWC | 116 Points

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logo_801.png Tohaa
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orden_regular.png3  orden_impetuosa.png1
logo_5.pngECTROS HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (2 | 45)
logo_21.pngKOSUIL Engineer Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
logo_8.pngMAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)

2.5 SWC | 82 Points

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Other people say that I play very aggressive. Well that could be, when I play against people that I don't know I make lists, that I usually don't do. For example I had 16 orders, with 2 groups with 8 orders. In my first group was the rasail viral Leutnant and in the other a Gorgos. He took 2 in the Gorgos group. Gorgos ran forward to a haramaki/domaru link and killed one (3 engaged the Gorgos with the last order). The rasail went forward, and killed 2 engaged domarus, a shikami and a total reaction drone. He then conceded because one domaru was his Leutnant and he had 5 orders left

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@DasaanThose are some expensive Triads! Don't you worry you're putting too many eggs in one basket? 

@Flipswitch I'm guessing the rocket launchers are there for the templates? I'm coming from Bakunin, so I don't have a lot of experience with rocket launchers. They seem mean for fire and cover deprivation. Definitely strong AROs, as well, as you force your opponent to slow down and space out. 

 

Any further advice or tricks for the Preceptors? It's odd that they're not impetuous. Do you take lone Makauls for the extra orders? 

How many Triads do you usually take? Or, rather how do you balance Triads to individuals. I really admire how efficient Gao-Tarsos and Clipsos are: both are cheap, forward, and survivable. I could definitely see myself with two combat groups less than ten orders and letting my opponent sweat where my drop troops are coming from. 

 

For reference, I'm an QK player in N2 and Bakunin in N3. I love flexibility and redundancy in my lists. 

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Yes mate, it gives me a nice ARO weapon and a good weapon to catch models in blast templates if my opponent hasn't positioned to prepare for it. Fire is a vicious weapon, give it a try! 

Preceptors are great fun, glad they're not impetuous, use them to cover advances with smoke for the Gao-Rael/Triad to really mess stuff up, alternatively, use the smoke to advance and leap from to tear people up with the SymbioBeasts. :) If you just need a template wall, Makaul are better for this.

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@Jassal2.0, no, I do not worry about putting too many eggs in one basket, especially now that ITS9 gives order protection to 10-man groups, and that the DataTracker rule exists.  Ectros are perhaps the finest DataTrackers in Tohaa.  If you have not yet built and played an elite Tohaa army, do try it.  It is very unlike your Qapu Khalqi experience.

However, if you are only interested in light spammy lists, you would like something like this:

logo_801.png Tohaa
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  orden_impetuosa.png3
logo_2.pngSAKIEL Lieutenant Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
logo_1.pngKAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_8.pngMAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
logo_2.pngSAKIEL Combi Rifle, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 23)
logo_1.pngKAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_8.pngMAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
logo_2.pngSAKIEL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 23)
logo_1.pngKAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_8.pngMAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW. (0 | 13)
logo_22.pngKERAIL PRECEPTOR Submachine Gun, Smoke Grenades + 1 Surda SymbioBeast / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 20)
 sep.giflogo_22.pngSURDA SYMBIOBEAST Pulzar / Viral CCW. (0 | 8)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png7  orden_irregular.png1  orden_impetuosa.png1
logo_2.pngSAKIEL Viral Combi Rifle, Nimbus Plus Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
logo_1.pngKAMAEL (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
logo_8.pngMAKAUL Heavy Flamethrower, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 13)
logo_3.pngGAO-RAEL Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 31)
logo_20.pngKAELTAR (Chain of Command) Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioMates / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 21)
logo_20.pngKAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
logo_10.pngCHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
logo_13.pngDIPLOMATIC DELEGATE (iKohl L1, Specialist Operative) Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5)

4 SWC | 300 Points

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That's a fine general-purpose Tohaa list with four aggressive Triads. 

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Dang. That is spammy. Lol. Four Triads is a lot. 

Honestly, I haven't played too many IT'S S9. 

I'll post up some lists I was considering, why, and how I use them. 

 

@Dasaan You should look up the Delta Vector blog. I think you'd like it -- it's on game design. 

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If only we had a sakiel box. Maybe the reason we don't is game balance,  sakiel span certantly would be strong. 

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Do people play defensive Triads?

ie; A Triad in your second combat group to ARO stuff?

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I do, either a ML Sukeul w/ Kaeltar/something or a Gao-Rael Sniper which can also pop rounds through smoke aggressively. Tbh I quite like the solo pieces for Tohaa for defensive with how my meta works, so not always.

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I take 2 or 3 kamael sniper and put them in a triad for aro duty

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