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New Japanese unit

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In the latest BoW weekender video Bostria mentioned that they are working on a new Japanese unit. So without any further info to go on what do you all think this could be? Are there any glaring holes in JSA that are in desperate need to be filled?

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New unit or a new model? There's quite a few that need a new model.

Otherwise, maybe, just maybe, there is some value in the Hayabusa*. If there isn't, I'm hoping it is either a Samurai with smoke or a cheaper option with smoke. JSA really needs it. You know, something to make advancing range-impaired Samurai up the board a bit more manageable. We do, however, know that they won't be getting Eclipse.

What JSA is lacking, but that I think is a design intention, is a lack of decent long-ranged stuff. So I am not expecting decent HMGs.

* Take a Domaru, put him on an Aragoto motorcycle -> Hayabusa.

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If we get HI motorcycles, I will totally geek out.

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It could be the rumored "shooting star". Airdrop heavy infantry with a melee focus.

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I think the Shooting Star is expected to be part of Immortal Army rather than JSA.

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If it is melee focused, it would fit better in JSA in my opinion but it's still anyone's guess.

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Shooting Star is translated from a Chinese. The chances of it being JSA is remote.

The common theory is that it is a reworked Korean drop troop slated for IA.

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I would love a super cheap warband unit (something like Shaolin Monks, but more Japanese themed) because it fits thematically and fills a whole that JSA has right now. Drop troops would be cool (and also the only MI right now is the Raiden). Also, an MSV2 unit that isn't the Rui Shi would be pretty great, even if it's another unit best in the 0-8 or 0-16 range band.

In terms of updates, I'd love a specialist profile for one of the Domarus. Assault Hacker fits thematically and I would get way more mileage out of them that way. 

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For a new *model*, please tell me that CB is resculpting the Haramaki!

 

For new units, though...

Hayabusa, Domaru on bikes, would definitely be my first choice, though it should have shorter range weapons than the trollposal (Spitfire and MultiEMLGL), those big Japanese Daikyu are surprisingly short range in practice.  And I'd really like it to have smoke...

 

9 hours ago, meikyoushisui said:

I would love a super cheap warband unit (something like Shaolin Monks, but more Japanese themed) because it fits thematically and fills a whole that JSA has right now.

Except for smoke, I don't really know what JSA is missing on the cheap troop front, but I suppose we could call them Sohei warrior monks.  Same statline as Shaolin, and share Shaolin AVA in vanilla (like how Cameronians, Dog-Warriors, and Devil-Dogs all share AVA in Vanilla Ariadna).

 

9 hours ago, meikyoushisui said:

Drop troops would be cool (and also the only MI right now is the Raiden).

I'm not sure that the JSA needs more troops that are up in the opponent's DZ, killing their dudes.

I'd like another long-ranged unit or another long-ranged weapon on Keisotsu or Raiden.  Keisotsu HRL, maybe?  Raiden ML?

 

9 hours ago, meikyoushisui said:

Also, an MSV2 unit that isn't the Rui Shi would be pretty great, even if it's another unit best in the 0-8 or 0-16 range band.

This is definitely true!

 

9 hours ago, meikyoushisui said:

In terms of updates, I'd love a specialist profile for one of the Domarus. Assault Hacker fits thematically and I would get way more mileage out of them that way. 

A Domaru hacker would definitely be interesting.  But it would also make for some really nasty choices in army building, since I almost always take Oyama, a Domaru Spitfire, and 3 Haramaki.

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I hope it's a karakuri resculpt and restat as remotes.

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Just now, the huanglong said:

I hope it's a karakuri resculpt and restat as remotes.

I would pick them up if they get a resculpt, but I don't think I would want to trade the Haris for stuff remotes get, especially since they already get some of those benefits from remote presence. 

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1 minute ago, meikyoushisui said:

I would pick them up if they get a resculpt, but I don't think I would want to trade the Haris for stuff remotes get, especially since they already get some of those benefits from remote presence. 

Remotes can be in fireteams, cf. Unidrons in Onyx. Karakuri are autonomous right, they should be remotes to set them apart from the superior Su Jian.

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Apparently quasi-Japan is home to some of Yu Jing's most high-tech industries (I was told when airing that JSA felt like low-tech part of YJ)

That is to say, Karakuri aren't likely less advanced than Su-Jian, especially not if they're actual AI and not remotely controlled.

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Bostria metions works on unknown model so I don't think it's a resculpt.

+ 1 for a MSV 2. I'd love to see a trooper like that in JSA.

 

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I would like to see some unit with MSV2 or maybe someone with Smoke Granades (or with both!)

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A new unit for JSA? Well I know what we don't need is another CC orientated heavy infantry model. 

I would really like to see a new command style unit with perhaps the inspiring leadership rule. 

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45 minutes ago, AkiPL said:

I would like to see some unit with MSV2 or maybe someone with Smoke Granades (or with both!)

Both.... I think that's impossible... 

 

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Inspiring leadership would be a massive boon, easily one of the most potent skills in game, but it would wreck havoc in vanilla unless restrictes to JSA only and I don't think inspiring leadership nor strategos (low level strategos more likely by the way) is needed per se - more LT options, however, are missing. Both on the 20+ spectrum and on the lower cost at no swc.

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29 minutes ago, Mask said:

Both.... I think that's impossible... 

 

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I know, I know... it would be too good.

But maybe some HI with Camo? Or just Infiltration?

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1 hour ago, AkiPL said:

I know, I know... it would be too good.

But maybe some HI with Camo? Or just Infiltration?

I could see camo HI, but probably not infiltration as it would step on the Daofei's toes.

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I'd love to see a fire superiority piece.

Back in the day, all Sectorials operated with extreme limitations on Sectorials.  It was pretty common for virtually all Sectorials to operate with a mere fragment of the diverse capabilities they have now.  Something like Corregidor, with having multiple TAGs, multiple AD, multiple Infiltrators, multiple smoke sources, multiple Core Links, multiple Camo troops, multiple characters, multiple Hackers would have been unheard of in the early days of N2.  

The reason I mention it is because JSA is one of the Sectorials that still operates with severe limitations on their playstyle.  Maybe it's time for that to change, and a decent respectable mid-cost HMG platform would help achieve that.  

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5 hours ago, MittenNinja said:

I could see camo HI, but probably not infiltration as it would step on the Daofei's toes.

Either works, Daofei would still be unique because it's camo and infiltration. However, I think it's the Shikami that makes it unlikely for JSA, since the Shikami is essentially a JSA take on the Locust, but Shikami didn't get infiltration like their Ninja brethren.

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11 hours ago, Mahtamori said:

Apparently quasi-Japan is home to some of Yu Jing's most high-tech industries (I was told when airing that JSA felt like low-tech part of YJ)

That is to say, Karakuri aren't likely less advanced than Su-Jian, especially not if they're actual AI and not remotely controlled.

The weird thing is that things that are not remotely controlled tend to be REM class, where as things that are tend to be another type like TAG or HI but with remote presence. Su Jian are remotely piloted and their bio mentions them being built using Karakuri tech. Karakuri do not have a remote operator, they are like a fancy Dakini or Yaokong. A bit of consistency please, I don't this game to get to a state where we see high rate of fire being represented as assault 4 (rending) on an assault cannon and heavy 20 on a punisher cannon.

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1 minute ago, the huanglong said:

The weird thing is that things that are not remotely controlled tend to be REM class, where as things that are tend to be another type like TAG or HI but with remote presence. Su Jian are remotely piloted and their bio mentions them being built using Karakuri tech. Karakuri do not have a remote operator, they are like a fancy Dakini or Yaokong. A bit of consistency please, I don't this game to get to a state where we see high rate of fire being represented as assault 4 (rending) on an assault cannon and heavy 20 on a punisher cannon.

I think the consistency is that Yaokongs and Yaoxie are remotely controlled, they're just left on rudimentary AI most of the time because they are fairly basic in function. You know, spend an order on it is getting someone to actually control it, rest of the time they are glorified sentry turrets.

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9 hours ago, REND said:

I would really like to see a new command style unit with perhaps the inspiring leadership rule. 

Yes, a command unit would be really nice.

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