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Unusual profiles that seem to find a place in your lists

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So what unusual unit profiles seem to re-occur in your army lists

For me it’s the makaul outside a triad. He is cheap enough that I don’t care if he dies, can work as a rambo and fix triads in a pinch. I’m kinda surprised that I don’t see lone makauls appear more often.

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Marksman Sun Tzu. I just love that guy- even when he dies turn 1. He usually does well for me, though.

Pheasant CoC Red Fury by himself in group 2. Pricey but has won me several games on turn 3.

And not sure if it's unusual but a Su Jian Duo team is probably my favorite link team in the game. So much fun.

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Scout with e/Mauler. You really can't beat the Ojotnik in terms of utility so that's enough in itself. But people never expect e/maulers so either their squishy guys spend excess orders avoiding it or their heavies run right through it.

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I don't understand why it's uncommon, but Hellcat HMG is difficult for me not to take.

I also regularly pay for the Combi on the Bandit.

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I see what you're getting at Loricus, there seems to be a stigma surrounding drop troops with HMG's. Gonna try the Gao-Tarsos with HMG myself and see what all the fuss is about.

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I'm playing vanilla CA and I tried a combi rifle daturazi for a couple of times an it worked out pretty well, but it's so hard to not just take the chain rifle guy. I also quite like to ran the plasma sniper loadout for an overdron, even though the HRL is cheaper, it is so easy to counter deploy fireteams agains a circular template, but it is not so much against a teardrop impact template, and baiting opponents to counterdeploy fireteams against an overdron only to flank those with the anathematics and catch 3 or even 4 members of a team is just great, though that might be just because there's too much MO players running magister+hospitalier links in my meta and getting rid of those without a massive amount of plasma shots is just painful.

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Does a general lack of Kuang Shi in ISS qualify for this list?

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4 minutes ago, Mahtamori said:

Does a general lack of Kuang Shi in ISS qualify for this list?

It wouldn't for me.

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Tiger and Ninja snipers.  For some reason, people dismiss AD and infiltrating snipers.

 

Potentially Guilang snipers, too, for the same reason.

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6 minutes ago, Section 9 said:

Tiger and Ninja snipers.  For some reason, people dismiss AD and infiltrating snipers.

 

Potentially Guilang snipers, too, for the same reason.

Yeah I use the sniper Hawwa and Posthuman while fighting a lot of Tigers and Guilang. I feel like being able to snipe units that don't want to be sniped is like, the point of snipers isn't it? Why are people only using snipers that don't get to choose their targets?

One thing I'm finding is that if you get to choose your targets they usually need to dodge, making the Guilang really good because MSV1 can come in to play when visual mods aren't. Especially if things align and you can use low vis to hit their PH.

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Infiltrating snipers are definitely underrated. Rarely are boards set up with a prrfect snipers nest in deployment zones. 

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I think i was one of the original proponents of infiltrating snipers. I know i use them more often then i don't.

Yu Jing

  • Ninja snipers, Ninja AHD
  • Tiger snipers
  • Aragato BS
  • Zanshi in general
  • Son Bae
  • Raiden spitfire (In JSA) Sadly seen a little less now that the Domaru got access to spitfires.

Things in Yu Jing i don't use..... Smoke*, monks, celestial guard, Wu Ming and Kuang Shi. (Just not my style.)

Nomads

  • Prowlers of all loadouts but especially the spitfire. Love that loadout.
  • Reverend Healers
  • Hellcat ADHL
  • Spektr e- maulers/ repeater, Spektr sniper
  • Grenzer combi/ flamer thrower
  • Bandit BS

Things i don't use in Nomads...... Wildcats, Riot Grrls (In Bakunin links), Lizards.

 

*Seriously. I've only used smoke that wasn't from Kitsune in two games playing Yu Jing since N3 came out. Both were celestial guard smoke LGL, and both games were on the same day. Smoke is virtually non existent in my Yu Jing armies. I feel we can easily get by without smoke.

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@Razgriz what do you take the Grenzer for? Could a Wildcat do it instead? You get to save 6 pts. Unless it's mainly for the MSV1.

And yeah, I think some teams make really good use of smoke and others less. Like Nomads generally do but Corregidor doesn't like to or usually need to spend the order for it. On the other hand Phalanx absolutely needs to spend the orders on it.

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2 hours ago, Loricus said:

@Razgriz what do you take the Grenzer for? Could a Wildcat do it instead? You get to save 6 pts. Unless it's mainly for the MSV1.

MSV 1, ARM 3, breaker pistols. Tad more reliable second wave or great for watching the backs of the first wave in case they get flanked by infiltrators, camo or warbands/ fast flankers. They end up really close to mid field skirmishers that don't usually have BTS or they have camo/ vis mods that MSV and a flame thrower works wonders on. I really like them in objective rooms as the second wave after a Brigada has kicked the door in.

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49 minutes ago, Razgriz said:

MSV 1, ARM 3, breaker pistols. Tad more reliable second wave or great for watching the backs of the first wave in case they get flanked by infiltrators, camo or warbands/ fast flankers. They end up really close to mid field skirmishers that don't usually have BTS or they have camo/ vis mods that MSV and a flame thrower works wonders on. I really like them in objective rooms as the second wave after a Brigada has kicked the door in.

FO profile, or just the regular Combi+LFT? I played ACA recently for a laugh and I was loving the Sensor in my backline 

Looking at the rest of your list though, I'd hardly count Reverend Healers or BSG Bandits as unusual profiles. Healers are less common in Vanilla but not unusual due to the prevalence of OP:IS starters and pretty well any Bakunin list with an Observance link has 1 (I've regularly run 2 in a Bakunin list). BSG Bandits are in my experience one of the more common profiles, it's the Combi profiles that I don't see much use of (@Loricus excepted). 

EMauler / Dep Rep profiles aren't uncommon: they're an extremely useful toolbox in Nomads, there is simply nothing better for ruining a TAG's or HI link's day. But yeah, the Spektr is rarer, but that's because it's more usual to see them as AHDs, BSGs or Snipers and the Zero EMauler/Dep Rep exists.

Bakunin itself has very few 'unusual' profiles: ADHL/BSG Prowlers; Combi/BSG/Combi+Smoke LGL Morlocks; MK12/Spitfire Sin-eaters; non-pitcher Custodiers; and, BSG/HMG Taskmasters are the only ones that spring to mind. The only ones of those I've strictly steered clear of are the non-Pitcher Custodiers, Morlocks and Sin-eaters (and even then, I've played the Spitfire Sin-eater in Recon for laughs and a BSG AHD Custodier as part of a Haris with a Multi-rifle Healer). What's interesting is that the common profiles on those 4 units are some of the more iconic Bakunin units that see regular use even in Vanilla (although I'll admit that's less true of the Spitfire Prowler than it is of the other units). 

*FakeEdit: oh and MSR Zeroes.... which honestly is just something I wouldn't touch. I've often been abused by Infiltrating Snipers so it's not because I don't see the use; it's just because Zero's are god-awful in firefights and the KHD/FO/Dep Rep/Minelayer profiles are sooo much better.

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9 hours ago, Section 9 said:

Tiger and Ninja snipers.  For some reason, people dismiss AD and infiltrating snipers.

 

Potentially Guilang snipers, too, for the same reason.

Not in my meta, for some reason everyone auto-includes at least 1 TO infiltrating sniper in their lists.

Another unit I don't see played is the minelayer Kosuil.

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@inane.imp Both. Prefer sensor but the basic works too. 

And i've really stopped playing sectorials these days. They're just too boring for me.

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6 minutes ago, Razgriz said:

And i've really stopped playing sectorials these days. They're just too boring for me.

Honestly I don't understand that. There's at least 8 different 'common' list concepts for Bakunin that I can think of, all of which play quite differently (Grrls Core, Moira Core, 2 Trios, Lizard Spec Fire, Overclock/Guided, TM Duo, Kusanagi Haris + Mods) and with significant differences in how you build around those core concepts (my Grrls Core+TM Duo LI HI list is very different to Hach's 15(?) order Grrls List). And that's before you even try strictly 'for funsies' list builds (Trip Uberfalls, Trip Sin-eaters, Quad TMs, 7 Camurai). There's really quite a lot of depth there if you want to play with it. 

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I guess i should have said that sectorials don't appeal to me anymore. I just really get no joy from playing sectorials. Where as with vanilla i always get that spark/ motivation for lists and i enjoy the games more.

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4 minutes ago, Razgriz said:

I guess i should have said that sectorials don't appeal to me anymore. I just really get no joy from playing sectorials. Where as with vanilla i always get that spark/ motivation for lists and i enjoy the games more.

You did say that... I still don't understand it.

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er... Overdron HMC? 
Spitfire Nexus I've taken a few times. 
Kaauri Sniper, Not sure if this one is uncommon but he's a cheeky bastard in my Ariadna heavy meta.

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In Aleph, the only unusual model I run is probably the Asura Multi-rifle profile, I just prefer the versatility of the different ammo as a threat over the spitfire (and there are plenty of spitire profiles in Aleph so its not like Im missing out on the weapon), and with the new datatracker rules in ITS she usually makes a good way to score points without needing to be a specialist.

When it comes to MRRF... Probably the Moblot HMG Sapper, I like putting one of them in a 5 man link, just because it is not dramatically more expensive than a normal HMG profile and gives a nice option to use in the game, even if you don't actually start in a foxhole, sometimes the ability to gain a foxhole can be a nice annoyance to the enemy (especially if you still have those 5 man bonuses).

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1 hour ago, Flipswitch said:

er... Overdron HMC? 
Spitfire Nexus I've taken a few times. 
Kaauri Sniper, Not sure if this one is uncommon but he's a cheeky bastard in my Ariadna heavy meta.

I do think that's partly to blame to the change in ITS missions Flipswitch. Out of the 22 missions there are currently 5 missions that have 2 classifieds or more and honestly for biotechivore I wouldn't even consider taking a Kauuri. Still I think it's a nice unit and deserves a little more attention.

Scooper, I can see why you would take the Asura Multi, nice tag like stats and a good set of goggles. quite a versatile unit actually.

On the moblot, well I'm interested, ever thought of dropping him out of the fireteam and putting him on suppression?

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4 hours ago, Arloid said:

 

On the moblot, well I'm interested, ever thought of dropping him out of the fireteam and putting him on suppression?

zouave hmg for 1 less, but with mechanized deployment (-1 bs, -1arm) is probably better.

You're saving a lot of orders to get him where you want, dig out a foxhole and go supressive

Moblot hmg model is pure fire tho

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