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I'm thinking about picking up Onyx as my second faction. My primary being Tohaa.

Love the new look of the models, really like the Combined Army more in general. From what I can tell, they do everything I want.

Great shooting, mobility, hacking, TAGs, Camo... but no smoke. I'm used to just having a Makaul in a link shut down shooting by tossing Eclipse Grenades at his feet. Smoke is really important. 

How does Onyx around not having it?

Is the Onyx 300pt box worth it?

Any extra stand out models I should get, aside from Xeodrons, Doctor Worm and Sphynx?

What are the buffs needed to compliment shooting mentioned? I assume it's hacking related.. being a Tohaa player, I know nothing about hacking. =P

And finally, tell me: what do you like about Onyx?

 

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13 hours ago, Obeisance said:

Great shooting, mobility, hacking, TAGs, Camo... but no smoke. I'm used to just having a Makaul in a link shut down shooting by tossing Eclipse Grenades at his feet. Smoke is really important. 

How does Onyx around not having it?

YOU SHOOT THEM IN DA FACE ! Well more seriously, you mentionned other tactics (hacking, camo, TAGs that can just ignore a few hits) you just have to use them. Also, plasma is really fun.

13 hours ago, Obeisance said:

Is the Onyx 300pt box worth it ?

yep totally

13 hours ago, Obeisance said:

Any extra stand out models I should get, aside from Xeodrons, Doctor Worm and Sphynx?

There's lots of stuff, just take what you want... yes dr worm, and some tags, but also ikadrons+imetrons, special weapons unidrons (you'll probably need at least a fourth), noctifer, soon we wil have nexus and bit&kiss. Suryats if you're into them (me, not really)

I took some xeodron because it was the cheapest tag in value per mini, and because all the tags in onyx are S6 so proxying is easier. And to complete the pair, I had to add a samaritan (aka the dreadful)

13 hours ago, Obeisance said:

What are the buffs needed to compliment shooting mentioned? I assume it's hacking related.. being a Tohaa player, I know nothing about hacking. =P

Well you know, a fireteam with 5 members is always some kind of a threat. But it gets worse when the fireteam has some buffed (assisted fire) plasma sniper, that can go dogged if the opportunity is worth keeping shooting. And it fires templates that make every hit throw two saves. Or you can put the same buff on some plasma Q-drone and rambo. Bit more squishy though, so you still have to be careful. The other guys can't really be buffed so offensively (for instance, Overclock only modifies your burst in reaction).

Re-reading this paragraph, to me onyx is not a glass canon, but some unit really are. If you lose an umbra because someone had shock, you really lost something important. Same thing works for the noctifer, or dr worm. And same with a tag : even if you have a engineer, be careful with enemy repeaters, possible AHDs, or cheap suicide warbands. We don't have so many troops with 2W or more : the Suryats, the tags of course, but the good surprise in this list is the Fraacta.

There's a bit of help against ennemy hackers now with bit&kiss, but still not invincible from hacking, far from that.

The philosophy would be : you have the troops to do pretty much anything, just be precise using the correct ones, and be careful on the way.

13 hours ago, Obeisance said:

And finally, tell me: what do you like about Onyx?

Well I've already talked about almost everything I like. A small list of stuff :

minis, as you have mentionned. and some nice faction with troops from all the universe

you have some unique tools that almost no one else has (plasma, protheion, linked tag, TO tag, a base troop that has STR, nice TO in general also)

plasma (no I'm not obsessed at all)

the fireteam core of 4*unidron+nexus (lieutenant or not) is a really good defense, that can still advance in turn 2/3 if your sniper died, and still be a pretty good threat. Their downside to me is their low burst and low base range (with the flash pulse from FO, their ARO range extended a bit). Also, they can't go prone and dodge only in last resort.

the fireteam core of rodoks, I have (EDIT : not tried that much. forgot a word) tried it that much, it always felt a bit expensive, a bit slow, and not durable enough, but it's certainly a pain to deal with them. I will give them their chance.

good tags in general : sphinx, the fireteam haris of xeodrons+samaritan (love blitzen B2 or red fury B5), the lone overdron. love them all

ikadrons are really cheap cheerleaders that are good DZ defensers, and can still be useful in specific attack cases.

Against camo, the M-drone (sensor + FO) is one the cheapest tool we have

I still have to try it but I'm really into Bit pitching repeaters, and then an E-drone Exile-ing fireteam members.

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I just had a good read through Onyx sticky and your giant post, Sanyv. Thanks for the reply.

I actually kinda wish I picked Onyx as my first choice.. I think they might be more my thing than Tohaa. Not that I'm not enjoying playing Tohaa, of course.

What are people using for Bit and Kiss models? I googled Bit and Kiss and all you get is questionable content. Boo.

Ikadrons look like they play the same role as my Chaaksa Auxiliars. Except a point cheaper and burst 2 light over burst 1 heavy.

It seems like I can totally play with a Sphynx and still have 14-15 orders which is great. Exactly what I want. =D

And yep, I'd go Batroid link over Rodok.

An Onyx player in a tournament started a guy outside the link, buffed it and then reformed. What's with that?

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Given that I'll probably be using a Batroid link, do I even need Rokoks?

I still think it ends up cheaper buying the Onyx box, than the individual parts minus Rodoks.

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1 hour ago, Obeisance said:

An Onyx player in a tournament started a guy outside the link, buffed it and then reformed. What's with that?

Unidrons can link with a Nexus hacker, and that hacker can buff the Unidrons.  Only problem is if they are in a link together and in LoF of an enemy, that buff will give the opponent free shots at your exposed unit (usually a Unidron on ARO duty).  By starting with the Nexus out of the link, you can safely buff the Unidron without generating AROs and then use a CT to bring the link up to 5 for the bonus.  All that's left is to go on a killing spree with your Plasma Sniper Rifle or Missile Launcher.

Rodoks are certainly not bad.  I mean, every time I bring them, I wonder why I'm not playing MAF, but they are actually really good if you bring an aggressive Lt. like a Samaritan.  I've never regretted playing with them, it's just that I get the idea in my head that if I'm playing Onyx, I am doing it to bring a Core fireteam of buffable Dogged REMs.

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4 hours ago, Obeisance said:

What are people using for Bit and Kiss models? I googled Bit and Kiss and all you get is questionable content. Boo.

There's a topic about that nearby, but I can't find it. It must be a nested conversation inside some other stuff.

4 hours ago, Obeisance said:

Ikadrons look like they play the same role as my Chaaksa Auxiliars. Except a point cheaper and burst 2 light over burst 1 heavy.

as REMs, they will dodge at PH-3, and they are repeater, which can be good (for instance, to protect your tag from AHDs, but can be a pain in the *ss also if you advance him too much and he gets near some ennemy hacker. Generally, hacking is a quite complicated stuff that you'll need to learn now, because as some opponents play very hacking-oriented (pointing at you, nomads), you'll have to know how to defend yourself. And we have many hackable units in onyx. But honestly, I worry about it mostly if I field a TAG or a Umbra hacker. Unidron : usually stay in the back, away from repeaters, are not targettable from khd (which I see often in my meta), and they have BTS6. Sphinx : do not forget, it's not hackable in marker state !

5 hours ago, Obeisance said:

It seems like I can totally play with a Sphynx and still have 14-15 orders which is great. Exactly what I want. =D

And yep, I'd go Batroid link over Rodok.

Well you can still play Sphinx + fireteam of Rodok, but you won't have 14-15 orders. 10-11 will be it, most likely.

But to me, the Rodok are more effective offensively, as @Sabin76 said, so they might be in competition with the Sphinx for who gets the orders. Also, you don't want them to die as they must fuel the Sphinx with orders. So yeah, Sphinx + fireteam of Unidron will do.

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7 hours ago, Obeisance said:

What are people using for Bit and Kiss models? I googled Bit and Kiss and all you get is questionable content. Boo.

its in the B&K topic on the last page (8)

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Black Friday -> Onix 300points box at 50€ -> I'll be starting Onix soon as my third faction :P

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1 hour ago, Abrilete said:

Black Friday -> Onix 300points box at 50€ -> I'll be starting Onix soon as my third faction :P

yes it is very tempting indeed.

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So I may have gone to my LGS and splurged on the Onyx box set today.

Help me write a basic all comers list? Something to play while I learn what stuff does and I can go from there and don't buy crap I don't need. =p

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logo_604.png Onyx First List
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png10  
logo_1.pngUNIDRON Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 20)
logo_1.pngUNIDRON Plasma Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 24)
logo_1.pngUNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
logo_1.pngUNIDRON Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 14)
logo_1.pngUNIDRON (Forward Observer) Plasma Carbine / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
logo_7.pngUMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
logo_21.pngIKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
logo_22.pngÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
logo_22.pngÍMETRON . (0 | 4)
logo_3.pngFRAACTA (EI Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png5  
logo_2.pngNEXUS Lieutenant (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
logo_21.pngIKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
logo_16.pngQ-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
logo_19.pngE-DRONE Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 28)
logo_13.pngMALIGNOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)

5.5 SWC | 297 Points

Open in Infinity Army

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How would you make this list better? Or make a list that includes a Sphynx?

I feel like the problem I'm hitting in list writing, is that I tend to wait to take a lot of units that just sit/shoot. I need things moving up the table.

I wonder if Rodoks would be ok for that. They're super expensive.

 

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Super-jumping-mimetic-veteran-infantry-with-a-gun-for-every-occasion are your main offensive link team, they also come with more orders than a sphinx, you don't tend to get all comers sphinx lists they are just sphinx lists aka a sphinx with some units to act as a battery.  a Rodok team with a Samaritan spitfire is a pretty terrifying link for going and getting.

If you want to make the list above better for every situation at some stage you'll have to compromise and add Dr Boob worm completer of classifieds and repairer of Q-Drones.

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Don't forget the Camo offerings too.

The various Shasvastii units are no joke.  The Noctifier missile is top 3 for units I'm afraid of in Infinity.  Highly destructive, hard to remove.

 

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So you can only take Unidrons/Xeodrons in Haris?

If you're taking your Core team as 5 strong Unidrons, what do people use as aggressive pieces?

Or is it better to have a small Haris ARO team with a Rodok aggressive Core?

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What's in your favourite Onyx list? I'm finding it hard to write after Tohaa. Lol.

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The only Haris available is 2 Xeodrons and a Samaritan.

I've used a core of Unidrons aggressively before: PSR/ML + Spitfire + the regulars/FOs covers all of the range bands, mostly with templates.  No need to make all 5 strong (as if a regular Unidron were not "strong").

Usually, though, I bring a Core of Unidrons that mostly plays defense, then several pieces that I can move up the board once the big ARO threats are dealt with.  That way, I have a strong defensive fireteam that is hard to dislodge and provides a large number of orders for my more aggressive pieces.

That said, we have another CA player that swears by Rodoks in Onyx and almost never brings Unidrons.  However, even with Superjump I find their 4-2 MOV cumbersome.

I don't think I've ever played the same list twice outside of a tournament, so it would be hard for me to have a "favorite" list.  I do love me some Sphinx action, though.

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Heh, tell me more of your love of Sphynx.

I just made a Black Friday order. Dr Worm, Xeodrons, Noctifier ML, Sphynx, Samaritan, Ikadrons and the camo Shasvasti guy.

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On 24 listopad 2017 at 6:12 AM, Obeisance said:

the camo Shasvasti guy.

That's like, most of them.

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So question, do you guys think Rodoks are worth running outside of a link?

I'm trying to build a 400pt army for an escalation tournament. I'm super super new to Onyx.

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200pts/4 SWC/10 Orders - Annihilation

Nexus: Hacker, LT

Unidrons: 3 Carbines, Spitfire

Q Drone: HMG

Noctifier: ML

2 Ikadrons

Samaritan: Breaker Combi. (Because I had more points than order slots)

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300pts - List I'm happy with at Decaptiation.

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400pts/6.5 SWC/18 Orders - Quadrant Control

Nexus: Hacker, LT

5 Unidrons: 3 Carbines, Plasma Sniper, Spitfire

R Drone

Sphynx

2 Ikadrons

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2 Imetrons

Q Drone: HMG

Dr Worm: 2 Slaves

3 Rodoks: Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns

Bit and Kiss

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Halp?

 

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Honestly, I don't think unliked rodoks are a good idea. They're not very sturdy on their own and they move kinda slow. A case could be made for the Missile launcher rodok as an ARO piece, but at that point why not a noctifer?

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Because I was thinking I only had 7 SWC to play with. When I actually have 8. Oops.

 

Nexus: Hacker, Lt

5 Unidrons: 3 Carbine, Sniper, Missile

R Drone

Sphinx

2 Ikadrons

(10)

Malignos: Hacker

Q Drone: Plasma (as an offensive piece? HMG?)

Noctifier: ML

Dr Worm: Slave Drone

2 Imetron

Fraacta: BS

(7)

400pts, 8 SWC, 17 orders.

I feel like I've just put everything good in Onyx in one list and clicked done.

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