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I've recently started playing Morats (largely because I can actually see the models to paint them!), find they're making a refreshingly straightforward change to my usual Pan O lists, and have a couple of questions for those more experienced in the path of Direct Brutality.

I like playing at least one AD: Combat Jump troops in my Pan O lists, ideally to run some tactical interference, but I'm always happy to just trade some orders out of my opponent's back line if there's nothing else available. The reckless charge does seem like a very Morat thing to be doing, so how do Rasyat's play in Morat or CA lists; what uses do people find for them.

Finally, do we know if there's any chance of a new design; I don't think anything was announced at Vigo this year? The sculpting of the Sogarats is one of the best in the game (not to mention that whole 'solid lump of pewter' feeling when you're marching them around ;) ) but the same really can't be said for the Rasyats, sadly.

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Let's see...

First of all, he is a MI. Not hackable but Mov 4-2. On an AD troop it's not so bad. The real bad is the lack of a Specialist loadout, but a Rasyat is a F-Monster anyway!

The combo of CC21 + NBW + DA CCW makes him a hard hitter. And with PH13 + Eclipse Grenades he can engage even MSV troops. Remember those Eclipse grenades, because sometimes you'll drop him midfield just to throw one in a lovely spot.

Bonus: NBW grants Stealth. Sneaky monkey...

Let's see the loadouts

logo_602.png Morat Aggression Force
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orden_regular.png4  
logo_5.pngRASYAT Combi Rifle, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 29)
logo_5.pngRASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
logo_5.pngRASYAT Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)
logo_5.pngRASYAT Spitfire, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 34)

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Spitfire is a single-minded murderer, but he lacks all of the tricks that make a Rasyat a jack-of-all-aces.

D-Charges are useful against heavy armored targets (CC21 +3 NBW -3 D-Charges = FUN!) and essential in certain ITS missions. Combi or Boarding Shotgun is of your choise.

But the MOST useful loadout is the Combi + E/Mitter. The E/Mitter is a B1 Rifle that uses E/M2 ammo. This can be DEVASTATING. You have to save TWO times with your BTS halved to avoid Immobilization (if you are a REM, TAG or HI) and Isolation (if you are not a Morat or Veteran). This weapon, even if not reliable due to being B1, can be a real game-changer.

 

Edit: PH value fixed!

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2 hours ago, Tox said:

The combo of CC21 + NBW + DA CCW makes him a hard hitter. And with PH12 + Eclipse Grenades he can engage even MSV troops. Remember those Eclipse grenades, because sometimes you'll drop him midfield just to throw one in a lovely spot.

Nitpick: It's PH 13, which actually makes it the highest PH avaliable for a combat jump trooper.

I second everything else on the above post, with the exception I usually prefer the Boarding Shotgun version (Because I tend to prefer killing stuff over just immobilizing them) and I always bring a hacker or even an EVO Drone to buff the Rasyat up to PH 16.

He is one of the few troopers I pretty much always jump in, because that 16 is very reliable, and so far he's been useful in every 3 out of 4 games I field him. One important point about stealth is that you can safely jump behind someone's back and then move in to shank them with the CC 21+3 from natural born warrior DA close combat weapon, which is usually more effective than shooting at people with the Rasyat. Natural Born warrior even allows you to face some other CC oriented models and make them a little worried. My Rasyat has taken out a couple makaul and some Ariadna CC blokes already because they didn't expect to be in an even fight.

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AFAIK there's been no news of a resculpt on the Rasyats, which IMHO is one unit that's in dire need of it.  Zerats and Kurgats are the old style too, but they don't clash with the new models as badly as the rasyats,  especially that silly 'gun on a stick' spitfire one.

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At some point there will be a Rasuat resculpt, at some point. 

Untill then, if you're using none, use Rodoks instead and tell your opponent what it is. 

Half the time a Rasuat would be a stranger to them. The other half should get that blank gaze and shudder ib horror about how hideous they are to the mew Morats. 

Either way, they are the only tricks the army has. Else it's just the shape of the hammer to the face :P

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12 hours ago, Flipswitch said:

We'll get that fourth Fraacta first lads.

Nah, as an AD specialist it's too useful to release.

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2 hours ago, Pierzasty said:

Nah, as an AD specialist it's too useful to release.

You're thinking a fourth Joan D'Arc before we get a revised Rasyat? ;-^

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3 minutes ago, Slowburner said:

You're thinking a fourth Joan D'Arc before we get a revised Rasyat? ;-^

We have 4 Joan of Arcs. 

Original 

Mobility Armour

Giraldez LE

Gropey Umbra

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Thanks for all the feedback, then. It looks like a solid consensus for the Rasyat being a very good unit, with the E/Mitter profile being the one that could really throw a spanner in the opponent's works - which is how I've liked using the Akalis/Crusaders in Pan O.

logo_5.pngRASYAT Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)

I usually throw them down towards the end of the first turn if possible, so that the extra order is available next turn if they survive. It looks to me like I might be able to play Rasyats later in the game - maybe Turn 2, when the opponent is committed mid-field, but earlier in the turn itself, so that I'd have extra orders to make sure I can get the E/Mitter to work. And maybe a second with the Boarding Shotgun for up close and personal monkey business?

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Rasyats are generally fantastic, i personally use the B:SG as he really wants to be stabbing people,  I usually use mine as a link team sweeper early doors generally throwing some eclipse smoke down to move into engagement with a link team member or to line up a decent shot with the B:SG it's much more effective than trying to crack a fireteam in a conventional firefight when you play MAF, they are also fantastic for if you draw the Sabotage classified.

As for models, I doubt they'll get a resculpt soon so mine are converted Rodoks using the head and back pack from the current Rasyat.

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1 hour ago, Col said:

We have 4 Joan of Arcs. 

Original 

Mobility Armour

Giraldez LE

Gropey Umbra

Exactly. What we need is a Mushashi resculpt.

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11 minutes ago, Pierzasty said:

Exactly. What we need is a Mushashi resculpt.

Personally I want a 8th Sikh AD trooper. 

Or maybe a 10th Bolt. 

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53 minutes ago, Graviton said:

I usually use mine as a link team sweeper

I love Boarding Shotgun with Akalis/Crusaders for that whole "Let's see if I can roll higher than 19 and actually miss this shot" feeling. ;) So this makes sense of doing the same kinda thing but moreso with the decent CC. So we like the unit, but run just one?

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24 minutes ago, Pierzasty said:

Exactly. What we need is a Mushashi resculpt.

Well, then you've come to the right game! ;)

I can't be sure, but I have the sense that CB are starting to look at their stock list and thinking "This is ridiculous; we have far too many units"; because it is; and they do.

But the very foundation of the company is making miniatures, they're not about to make less models, so we end up with all these revised sculptures instead. I think maybe they're a miniatures company with a game, whereas we're mostly gamers who like miniatures, which isn't quite the same thing. Dunno. 

I know is that their revealing new models at shows is like this Monty Python sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLkhx0eqK5w ;)

 

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6 hours ago, Slowburner said:

Thanks for all the feedback, then. It looks like a solid consensus for the Rasyat being a very good unit, with the E/Mitter profile being the one that could really throw a spanner in the opponent's works - which is how I've liked using the Akalis/Crusaders in Pan O.

logo_5.pngRASYAT Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 31)

I usually throw them down towards the end of the first turn if possible, so that the extra order is available next turn if they survive. It looks to me like I might be able to play Rasyats later in the game - maybe Turn 2, when the opponent is committed mid-field, but earlier in the turn itself, so that I'd have extra orders to make sure I can get the E/Mitter to work. And maybe a second with the Boarding Shotgun for up close and personal monkey business?

I find Rasyats to work better as a turn two punch, since most people don't expect a morat AD trooper to come down, and after turn one it's a bit easier to drop them in some blind spot.

That being said, I would advise against deploying two of them, if only because they're kinda expensive for an 1 wound troop that starts off the board.

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4 hours ago, Slowburner said:

Well, then you've come to the right game! ;)

I can't be sure, but I have the sense that CB are starting to look at their stock list and thinking "This is ridiculous; we have far too many units"; because it is; and they do.

But the very foundation of the company is making miniatures, they're not about to make less models, so we end up with all these revised sculptures instead. I think maybe they're a miniatures company with a game, whereas we're mostly gamers who like miniatures, which isn't quite the same thing. Dunno. 

I know is that their revealing new models at shows is like this Monty Python sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLkhx0eqK5w ;)

 

I think we’re getting resculpts because the older stuff doesn’t live up to the sculpting quality of the new stuff, for the most part. They’ve been bringing the older sculpts in line with the new ones for a while now. 

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16 hours ago, Slowburner said:

I love Boarding Shotgun with Akalis/Crusaders for that whole "Let's see if I can roll higher than 19 and actually miss this shot" feeling. ;) So this makes sense of doing the same kinda thing but moreso with the decent CC. So we like the unit, but run just one?

CA has fantastic drop troops but they all cost many precious points, you can run two Rasayat but it's quite a large investment and obviously that's only in MAF,  in generic I quite frequently run one with Ko-Dali (lets my opponent sweat about whether I have an invisible murder robot or a nasty shassvatii based suprise)  it's far more obvious in MAF as there is nothing else that big gap in your list could be.

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21 hours ago, Sabin76 said:

Why have I never seen those sketches before?!

Well, may be because I'm a little older than other players I remember that one from when I was a kid; hopefully it was a re-run. Hopefully. ;-/

 

Ok, so I should play a Rasyat if I like; and I think I will like to; many thanks for the good info.

Now how can I squeeze it into a practicable ITS list? I have the following Morat units 

Morat Starter: 3x Morat; 1x Raktorak; 1x Oznat; 1x Sogorat

Daturazi box: 4x Daturazi

Gakis box: 4x Gakki/Preta

1x Kornak; 1x Sogorat

1x Biotechworm; 2x Miniworms

The intention was to build the Kornak/Sogorat Haris Pain Train, but as the army is being assembled and painted I find myself increasingly wondering where my Specialists are. 3 Morats and Dr Worm as far as I can see. Recommendations to make it work in ITS?

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You can do fine with a simple 3 specialist combo in the Raktorak, Worm and a Vanguard hacker, but you need orders, and that's were the hungries come in. With a 5 beasts Oznat, gaki and preta team (I suggest one preta and three gakis) you should have enough points left for a rasyat (Proxy with your Shotgun Daturazi)

logo_602.png Morat Aggression Force
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png6  orden_irregular.png4  orden_impetuosa.png5
logo_22.pngKORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
logo_8.pngSOGARAT Feuerbach / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
logo_8.pngSOGARAT AP HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 56)
logo_15.pngMED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
logo_20.pngSLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_6.pngRAKTORAK Combi Rifle + Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
logo_12.pngOZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
logo_14.pngPRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
logo_13.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
logo_13.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
logo_13.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png3  
logo_1.pngMORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
logo_5.pngRASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
logo_19.pngR-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

4 SWC | 300 Points

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this is a cool list with the link you want and the Rasyat. You do need a box drones to make it, but honestly those are excelent aditions to MAF anyways and you won't be losing anything in getting those.

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A modification of the above list:

logo_602.png Morat Aggression Force
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GROUP 1sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png6  orden_irregular.png4  orden_impetuosa.png5
logo_22.pngKORNAK Lieutenant Mk12, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 41)
logo_7.pngSURYAT HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
logo_7.pngSURYAT Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 39)
logo_4.pngYAOGAT Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32)
logo_26.pngBit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
 sep.giflogo_26.pngKISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)
logo_12.pngOZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
logo_14.pngPRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
logo_13.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
logo_13.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
logo_13.pngGAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

GROUP 2sep.gifsep.giforden_regular.png4  
logo_23.pngANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
logo_15.pngMED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
logo_20.pngSLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
logo_5.pngRASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
logo_19.pngR-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

6 SWC | 300 Points

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I think the Suryat Haris is more cost effective than the Sogarat Haris and allows me to squeeze in slightly better units. Bit is a nice and cheap specialist who allows you to kill hackers you face while the Yaogat works well with some grenades.

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22 hours ago, DaRedOne said:

logo_602.png Morat Aggression Force

That's a great help, @DaRedOne, thank you. :)

14 hours ago, Death said:

A modification of the above list:

There are a few more units I'm without in your list @Death, but it's also appreciated, thanks. 
I'm a bit surprised you have the Med-Tech in the secondary group; don't I want to give him access to as many Orders as I might need in a crisis?

I do have questions about some of the other units - Sogarat versus your choice of Suryat, for example; and the Raktarak, who seems rather lacklustre to me.
Are they better put into a new topic, would we say? (Because my experience beginning the game last year was that when I wanted to look up discussions on things, there were very often buried deep within other topics which was pretty unhelpful. Keeping it tight and on topic seems good form.)

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29 minutes ago, Slowburner said:

I'm a bit surprised you have the Med-Tech in the secondary group; don't I want to give him access to as many Orders as I might need in a crisis?

I do have questions about some of the other units - Sogarat versus your choice of Suryat, for example; and the Raktarak, who seems rather lacklustre to me.
Are they better put into a new topic, would we say? (Because my experience beginning the game last year was that when I wanted to look up discussions on things, there were very often buried deep within other topics which was pretty unhelpful. Keeping it tight and on topic seems good form.)

Some people prefer to leave their doctors on the secondary group. This is often due to the belief (not wrong) that if a model passes the half of the table you won't be able to heal it if/when it dies.

The raktorak is good in a haris with a pair of Suryats or Kornak and a Suryat. That burst two heavy flamethrower is pretty solid, and a WIP 13 specialist operative isn't that bad for 23 points.

I am a fan of the sogarat pain train, but it is very expensive and ends up in a situation where you put all your eggs in a single basket. Might work, but when it doesn't you'll feel the impact harder.

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