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Druze Bayram Security (DBS)

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I'm looking on making the jump from Haqq to DBS/druze. The Druze are one of the few things I need to finish my Haqq collection.  I'm curious what everyone thinks their strengths\weaknesses are? 

My opinion so far.

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One of the things I've been wanting to try is a Remote w/Repeater list. Haqq doesn't have enough remotes with repeaters to use Overclock (Evo hacking).Meanwhile DBS has access to some solid choices. AVA3 on the Pathfinder gives a solid body count of cheap specialist with decent defensive ARO. Keep in mind Overclock works on flashpulse. The Peacemakers have some fun weapon choices too. The Mech Deployment lest you deploy a spitfire in prime range of your opponents deployment zone. Another benefit to me is that I've always been envious of the Auxbots, and want to try them. Now of they just could add in some CrazyKoalas, I wouldn't be tempted to continue expanding my collection.  

The number of Core fireteams is Minimal, but its versatile. The biggest thing which the DBS core fireteam have access to is the Clipperbot missile launcher. I'm not certain but  I think its the only way to get a missile launcher in 5 man link team. I also love that fact its got a profile even PanO doesn't have access to (2B +6BS at long range, AP&EXP... yay). 

Fireteam Duos: the Versatility I mentioned above is actually better in the Duos.  Given fact that most models are fairly cheap and a lot of Duo options means it easy to swarm zones. Give them cover form Overclocked remotes and you have an easy time holding a zones. In general I like Duos because they are not an immediate target which needs to be broken early on. You can move them up to take objectives, and if the Leader gets killed you still have a back up in position. Duo swarms are another thing Haqq just can't do properly. They have a couple nice duo options but only on larger models. 

Druze: I didn't pick them up before hand because they didn't strike me as that great. The new profile help but I think its mostly to round out the sectoral. Normally I love Pitchers, but given the fact the remotes are going to give hackers coverage over the table makes it a little superfluous. The best part of the Druze are the fireteam options to mix with other models. The addition of Fatility l1 is nice, but not game changing. 

Brawlers: I'm guessing these are supposed to be out starter grunts for the sectoral since the Druze are a little pricey. I love the Duo as their basic ability. The profiles cover the basics. I wish the Chief could duo with them, but I can settle on Valerya having a bodygaurd as a duo. I guess I'll be using Ghulams as Brawlers proxies. Any other suggestions.

Specialists: The out of the box generis infiltrating specialists is Hunzakuts, which are not back but I like to avoid irregulars. I'm not sure about the Bashi Bazouks. The specialist profile makes it somewhat interesting, but Irregular and only having parachutist makes it a little weak. The last option is Saito, who is a bit pricey but a force to be reckoned with. I have a feeling that he is an autoinclude for DBS.

Weaknesses: I'm not sure about this, at first glance I would guess that Camo would be an issue. It really depend on if you want to play with pathfinders. I've been wanting to make a remote based list for a while. The sensors help to balance out the factions weakness to camo. It doesn't really help against -3 BS mod but its something. The only 3 models in DBS have MSV, 2 are on sniper weapons. The last is Chief Arlans, will be a target for any Camo heavy List. 

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I'm probably going to pick them up. Considering I almost started Nomad about 4 times this year, this will scratch the itch, without opening up to a whole new faction or game. Its also been a while since I grabbed anything, and want to support my LGS. 

 

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I have been out of action regarding infinity for a while but darn it this sectorial is trying to suck me back in.

I have loved Druze ever since the models first came out and I was using a fireteam of them in N2.

Buffs for Scarface & Cordelia including Duo & pilot scarface being able to push buttons!!!
Access to the cool Peacemaker remote!!!
Druze Shock Troops hit harder and have Vet 1!!!
Druze Shock Troops have non-hacker specialists!!

The new character and light infantry profile are great.

My only minor issues are:

  • Spitfire option not present ( I suppose I can just use it as HMG but I loved the spitfire and x-visor it was fantastic for tight terrain options and fatality L1 would only make it better.
  • DEP is only present on the haris profile It would be nice to have non-haris versions of that load out.
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17 hours ago, CannonFodder_mtl said:

The number of Core fireteams is Minimal, but its versatile. The biggest thing which the DBS core fireteam have access to is the Clipperbot missile launcher. I'm not certain but  I think its the only way to get a missile launcher in 5 man link team. I also love that fact its got a profile even PanO doesn't have access to (2B +6BS at long range, AP&EXP... yay). 

You mean, in the Druze Core? Might be (I'm not able to access Army right now), assuming there is no Brawler ML.

In a Core in general? C'mon. Most basic light Infantry units have a ML available, and can form Cores in their respective Sectorials. I'm not sold on that Clipper-in-a-Fireteam:

  • ~ similar cost to a LI trooper with a ML (same SWC).
  • - is still a REM (penalties at Dodging, can't get Prone)
  • - is still S3 (which might hinder maneuvering, especially indoors).
  • - Burst bonus doesn't apply to Guided mode
  • - SML is AP+DA (regular ML is AP+EX)
  • + in a Fireteam (if 4+) gains 6th Sense L2.
  • + BS bonus is applicable (I'm not sure if in Guided mode too. i think it should work, though)

Basically, the primary advantage I see is having a SML included into your Fireteam, so you don't have to buy an additional ML trooper.

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I went out and bought a Druze box and some PanO Rems the next day.  I always knew the Merc army was coming out, but i was never interested in it.  But for some magical reason, they release the update to Army, and now i NEED a Merc list.  I finally am able to use my Anaconda in non soldier of fortune ITS games!!  Very exciting stuff. 

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The smart missile has no -3 range bands. 

And unlike the missile launcher it has ap+DA that works with the circular template. 

Missile launcher only has EXP in its template mode. 

And as a remote it can be given marksmanship level 2 adding shock & negating the -3 to BS from cover. 

It is a solid option. 

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That's a good point, indeed (in fact, a handful of them good points) :)

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22 hours ago, ZombieCrab said:

The smart missile has no -3 range bands. 

And unlike the missile launcher it has ap+DA that works with the circular template. 

Missile launcher only has EXP in its template mode. 

And as a remote it can be given marksmanship level 2 adding shock & negating the -3 to BS from cover. 

It is a solid option. 

After going threw this post I was going to drop the Clipper proxy from my remote purchases, but these comments just made me rethink it again. I forgot about the marksman L2. That makes it much more appealing. As a long time Haqq player I don't think about remotes much.  Its one of the reason I want to try DBS, It lets me play with all the toys Haqq doesn't use.

I've already gotten my Druze, and S2 models. the PanO remotes were out of stock and I'm hoping to get them this week.  

I still need a Proxy for Arslan... Does anyone have any suggestions? I may just proxy my Saladin until I get the Anaconda. Then use the Anaconda pilot as Arslan. I like to pace my purchases a bit and already have Scarface & Cordelia. I won't need a another tag for a while. 

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I just realized Scarface got a weapon change. They replaced his Panzerfaust, for a Heavy Rocket Launcher. Less punch but higher burst and unlimited Ammo.

Also they have Fireteam Duo... Doesn't that cancel frenzy.

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I really like the look of the Druze teams but do you think that there will be an HI release for the mercs? 

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You mean, these specific Mercs, i.e. Druze Bayram Security?

I doubt that. They've been released as a sectorial, more or less complete - including the new Druze (inc. Arslan, the Druze character) and a new unit, the Brawlers. I believe that if there was ore to be there, it would've already been.

But I do not exclude the possibility of them getting a HI of some sort (although I don't think it would be "exclusive" to the Druze Bayram, like the Brawlers currently are - I think the Brawlers will turn up in some other Merc sectorials too). They might, however, obtain an unit from one of the existing factions. 

Alas, I might be completely wrong on that as well!

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That's what I figured, would be nice though if there was a HI option even an existing profile just to flesh them out a bit. 

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Im still hoping we'll get some hi with the next book, once there are some more sectorials and mercenary units available to pick from. Maybe something thats just isn't ready to be released yet but will show up with the next book.

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4 hours ago, Ursun said:

Im still hoping we'll get some hi with the next book, once there are some more sectorials and mercenary units available to pick from. Maybe something thats just isn't ready to be released yet but will show up with the next book.

I'm not too sure about Mercs getting anything that great as an HI. With the rule letting you bring in 75 pts of Merc for 1 SWC it opens up lot of options for other factions. Though it would be fun to get an beefy Remote with STR2 ARM3 & a repeater.   

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I think that absence of HI in Druze sectorial is actually a good things because it makes sectorial different and not omnitool like ISS (and Corregidor at some extension).

Also I still wishlist beefy REM for Tunguska, leave it there)))))

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